[swagon]

If the EOP for F30 is in October 2018, does that mean we will get to see the G20 in Spring?

[ynguldyn]

I've just realized that I misread my data about N63. All models that are new for 2018 (X5, X7, 8er) will start with versions of the new revision, N63TÜ3, while the current TÜ2 will only stick around in the existing models, to be phased out later.

[mbanks21]

My 335 lease is up 02/2019, what are my odds of being able to get a 240GC 6speed?

[Sir Loin]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

I believe SCOTT has spoken of this, yes. There will also be an M135i sedan (F52) and M135i hatchback (F40, F41) as well (neither of which have a US release scheduled, the latter of which having almost zero chance).

Note that ynguldyn mentioned recently that the X2 M35i would not make it in time for the initial release, but should join later (probably by the end of 2018). It is a good bet that the X1 M35i would come at that time as well.

Thanks mkoesel. Sigh, it takes so long for BMW to release an almost M version of X1. I ended up ordering a MY 2018 GLA45 AMG instead. Not my first choice, but I could not wait as my 13-year-old Volvo is dying.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by mbanks21

My 335 lease is up 02/2019, what are my odds of being able to get a 240GC 6speed?

0. What you're asking for will not exist.

[mbanks21]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

0. What you're asking for will not exist.

Geez buy me dinner first

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by mbanks21

Geez buy me dinner first

I wouldn't even know what kind of dinner to buy you. 'Cause first you're all an RWD with a good proper straight 6 and a tune, a suspension, and some bling bling, and then you're suddenly a FWD roundeled Mini with a putt-putt 4 cylinder installed the wrong way. You can't just do that and expect a dinner, not to say a movie.

[ynguldyn]

Some G07 updates are added.

[BimmerMat135]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Some G07 updates are added.

I've always dreamed to have 5 differents temperature setting in the same car! I wonder if they were too busy to add the "all" button in order to synchronize everything unlike the F30.

[6ixSpd]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

I wouldn't even know what kind of dinner to buy you. 'Cause first you're all an RWD with a good proper straight 6 and a tune, a suspension, and some bling bling, and then you're suddenly a FWD roundeled Mini with a putt-putt 4 cylinder installed the wrong way. You can't just do that and expect a dinner, not to say a movie.

Didn't even make it to the previews. Damn.

[dsad1]

Is g07/g05 a 2018 spring release? Or fall? Last X5 was a spring release, so wasn't sure about this one.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by djsaad1

Is g07/g05 a 2018 spring release? Or fall? Last X5 was a spring release, so wasn't sure about this one.

August SOP most likely. Just follow the EOP dates of the current models.

[duky]

Is X3M still early 2019? Given all of these undisguised shots seems like maybe it’s earlier

[gigliosa]

I don't see news about the future of X6 (G06 ?).

[mkoesel]

Had a moment, figured I'd scratch this itch:

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1424466

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by gigliosa

I don't see news about the future of X6 (G06 ?).

Will follow X5 by a year. Also, it's boring, since it's the same thing as X5, just in a different body.

[brix25]

No info about the next gen M3 sedan? Is there any confirmation if they'll continue making it after the F80 generation?

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by brix25

No info about the next gen M3 sedan? Is there any confirmation if they'll continue making it after the F80 generation?

New M3 will arrive with new M4. That won't be until 2020.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by brix25

No info about the next gen M3 sedan? Is there any confirmation if they'll continue making it after the F80 generation?

Yes, it’s the G80 as I noted in a post yesterday.

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

New M3 will arrive with new M4. That won't be until 2020.

That isn't unexpected, but still unfortunate. If the G80 M3 front end were to derive from the G20 3 Series instead of being shared with the G82 M4, it would perhaps allow for a 2019 debut, just as the F90 M5 has debuted in 2017 following the G30 5 Series debut in 2016.

Of course, that would reduce parts sharing opportunities and increase costs, so it is somewhat understandable that it will apparently conitinue to not be done this way. Still, theoretically, the 4 Series itself could simply share the 3 Series front end too. They are, after all, very similar. Yet, they spare the expense to distinguish them. It is a shame this cannot be done for the M3 vs. the M4 as well.

[brix25]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Yes, it’s the G80 as I noted in a post yesterday.



That isn't unexpected, but still unfortunate. If the G80 M3 front end were to derive from the G20 3 Series instead of being shared with the G82 M4, it would perhaps allow for a 2019 debut, just as the F90 M5 has debuted in 2017 following the G30 5 Series debut in 2016.

Of course, that would reduce parts sharing opportunities and increase costs, so it is somewhat understandable that it will apparently conitinue to not be done this way. Still, theoretically, the 4 Series itself could simply share the 3 Series front end too. They are, after all, very similar. Yet, they spare the expense to distinguish them. It is a shame this cannot be done for the M3 vs. the M4 as well.

That's nice to hear. I thought they were going to stop with the F80 because it doesn't sell as much as the M4.

[advantage20]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Why not both an M vehicle and M Performance vehicle like the 1 through 6 Series will feature (well, perhaps not the 6)? Well, I'd venture to guess that BMW did their homework and found that the existence of the M8 would make an M860i superfluous from a customer interest perspective.

First off, I don't think it is any more strange for there not to be an M860i than it is strange that there is not an M7. Secondly, there is yet the opportunity for an M860e with V8 + eDrive.

You almost surely won't see a V12 X7, and similarly I don't think there is much chance for a V12 8 Series. The question is, what will the X7 do with no flagship? Well, this might be the perfect vehicle to introduce this theoretical M*60e drivetrain, no? Seems like a great opportunity to me. We'll see what they have in store.

There is a significant difference in overall driving experience between, say, an M760i and an Alpina B7, and that difference wouldn't be less notable between an M760i and a potential M7 (taking into account engines alone, not all the other characteristics the Alpina is brilliant for). Still, it makes more sense to me that there be both an M860i and M8 than there be both an M760i and M7. Because despite the differences in engine character and overall experience, and despite its relative lightness compared to its rivals, the 7 still remains a large and fat saloon no matter what, while the smaller and lighter 8 on the other hand has a much more versatile potential, as either a comfortable luxury super GT coupé (archetypal version: V12) or a nimble hardcore supersports coupé (archetypal version: V8).

Of course there would be a certain level of overlapping and there are customers who would equally buy an M8 or an M860i if one or the other wasn't available. And of course we can expect the M8 to be savage enough to significantly differ from the more well-behaved 850i. However there are rivals on the market which do offer both V8 and V12 versions, sometimes even in various levels of output. The S Coupé S63 and S65 offer a different enough overall package to not excessively step on each other's toes; granted, there is a more legible hierarchy between S63 and S65 than there would be between M8 and M860i where the V12 would be the 'lesser' model, but this isn't all new to BMW (4 cylinder E30 M3 vs 6 cylinder) and again the whole driving experience would differ significantly.

Moreover, BMW hasn't been shy at all about its upmarket ambitions for the new 8 and its whole top of the line (7, X7, potential 9, new black and white logo communication...), and it wouldn't be too wild to imagine that high-end versions of the 8 Series prepared by BMW Individual might go after rivals which currently seem out of its league like the Continental GT and DB11 (the S Coupé can definitely hold the comparison). In this respect, no M860e hybrid would beat a V12 M860i as a purely status symbol, and though doomed at long term 12 cylinder engines are still demanded enough in certain markets. Even though it would ultimately represent a marginal share of the total 8 Series sales, a statement would be made. I would surmise that the development costs would be worth it in terms of further building the brand image, as BMW seems to openly claim that it aims to become the number one premium luxury brand (currently they are obviously behind Mercedes). Again we might not see any more V12s in quite a short term, but one generation run would only build BMW's image, maximise the V12's development cost, and definitely attract buyers. Now again the likelihood is pretty low according to current available information.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by brix25

That's nice to hear. I thought they were going to stop with the F80 because it doesn't sell as much as the M4.

They sell every last one they manage to produce.

It is not clear whether production is purposely capped at a volume significantly below the M4 coupe, or whether they simply do not have the capacity at the Regensburg plant (M4 is build in Munich, recall) to handle more units of the M3 than they produce today.

In an ideal world, you would see the M3 built along side the 3 Series the same way the M4 coupe is built along side the 4 Series coupe (and the convertibles for that matter, both of which are built in Regensburg). Perhaps this will happen for the G80, and if so, perhaps this will allow for higher volume.

Originally Posted by advantage20

...BMW seems to openly claim that it aims to become the number one premium luxury brand (currently they are obviously behind Mercedes).

Right, and as you are no doubt aware, the growth in the luxury market is in SUVs, particularly small to medium SUVs - segments where BMW is putting a great deal of energy at the moment.

BMW is not nearly the size of Mercedes and VAG, so they cannot chase after each and every niche. Furthermore, the future is electrified drivetrains, and these will play a big role next decade. The V12, as you note, will only dwindle in numbers.

BMW's new high end lineup, once the 8 Series and X7 are counted, will give them a greater presence than ever at the top end of the market. Will they have the right mix to ever catch Mercedes again? Remains to be seen, but I think they've done the homework, and the models we know are coming are the ones people want.

In my mind, if there is a point of uncertainty surrounding BMW's future, it is not V12s or $150k sport coupes. It is the i brand as compared to Mercedes EQ brand and other players in the ACES/CASE(/whatever acronym du jour) market. That's were we need to see better products (SUVs!) and a more unified message.