[NewSong]

The ZR1 is would destroy a Ferrari F430. It's not even a fair comparison. The Scuderia would be a better challenge but it would lose too.

[NewSong]

Originally Posted by Robin Hood

You told me I was lying, NewSong. I didn't start it.

Cheers
Robin

PS read my posts, I never said I didn't like the Corvette in the first place.

We can shoot each other until we run out of bullets, you like your M3, and I'm sure part of your justification for arguing your invalid point so much is because you want to justify your purchase.

You don't have to, enjoy your car.

I'm driving a Ford Focus now, and I think I'm having more fun than you.

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by lyndon_h

Those number are wrong. I think you mistook the Z06's time for the ZR1's time. The ZR1 lapped the ring in 7:26 seconds, which is almost 30 seconds faster than a F430 (and only .5 seconds slower than the Enzo)! I know you can't put a price on prestige, but 30 seconds is huge difference. And you should try driving a Z06, as it doesn't feel "low tech" at all. Personally, I wouldn't care if it had salmonella laced peanut butter sandwiches for the suspension and a lawnmower engine if its a world class performer and has great feel. But that's just me.

But take a minute to think about that... a 65k Corvette beats a $150k Ferrari around the Ring by 12 seconds and your are fussing about the suspension. It sounds like the suspension is doing just fine.

Sorry I meant the Z06, slip of the keyboard. Anyway even if it was a ZR1which is a GREAT CAR SUPER FANTASTIC EXCELLENT I 'd still choose the Ferrari.

My thinking sometimes is faster than my writing, you are correct. Z06 it is.

But that doesn't mean I'm [b] LYING[/B} I'm not a walking encyclopedia though I know a bit about cars if I say so myself.

[NewSong]

46. Chevrolet Corvette Coupe 6.2 C6 1:14.1 127 ´08 436 / 1462.2 sportauto
47. TVR Tuscan MK2 1:14.2 126 ´03 350 / 1100 Sport Auto
48. Porsche 993 GT2 1:14.2 126 ´95 436 / 1290 sportauto
49. Dodge Viper STR-10 (600hp) 1:14.2 126 ´08 612 / 1567 sportauto
50. Porsche 997 Carrera S 1:14.3 126 ´04 355 / 1420 "Sport Auto"
51. BMW M3 (E92) 1:14.3 126 ´07 420 / 1619 sportauto

The C6 beats the E92 M3 on Hockenheim too.

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by NewSong

We can shoot each other until we run out of bullets, you like your M3, and I'm sure part of your justification for arguing your invalid point so much is because you want to justify your purchase.

You don't have to, enjoy your car.

I'm driving a Ford Focus now, and I think I'm having more fun than you.

What invalid point?

If you are having more fun in a Ford Focus than I do in my M3 you must be driving like my grandma and I knew that since we started this conversation.

Anyway, just for the fun of it.

HOCKENHEIM SHORT
BMW M3 E92 1:14.2
Vette C6 1:14.8

You can't deny the facts.

Cheers
Robin

[lyndon_h]

Originally Posted by Robin Hood

Sorry I meant the Z06, slip of the keyboard. Anyway even if it was a ZR1which is a GREAT CAR SUPER FANTASTIC EXCELLENT I 'd still choose the Ferrari.

My thinking sometimes is faster than my writing, you are correct. Z06 it is.

But that doesn't mean I'm [b] LYING[/B} I'm not a walking encyclopedia though I know a bit about cars if I say so myself.

Its cool.
And I didn't say that you were LYING at all. I said it looks like you MISTOOK (as in mistake) one Corvette's time for the other's time. Anyway, its all good. I'd take the F car too if money was no object, but we know how that works out (for most of us anyway).

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by NewSong

46. Chevrolet Corvette Coupe 6.2 C6 1:14.1 127 ´08 436 / 1462.2 sportauto
47. TVR Tuscan MK2 1:14.2 126 ´03 350 / 1100 Sport Auto
48. Porsche 993 GT2 1:14.2 126 ´95 436 / 1290 sportauto
49. Dodge Viper STR-10 (600hp) 1:14.2 126 ´08 612 / 1567 sportauto
50. Porsche 997 Carrera S 1:14.3 126 ´04 355 / 1420 "Sport Auto"
51. BMW M3 (E92) 1:14.3 126 ´07 420 / 1619 sportauto

The C6 beats the E92 M3 on Hockenheim too.

please give me the source. My source is SPORTAUTO ISSUE 1 2009.

Corvette C6 1:14.8
BMW M3 1:14.2


Corvette 6.2 1:14.1
I didn't know that was the Corvette C6. They don't mention C6.

[NewSong]

Originally Posted by Robin Hood

What invalid point?

If you are having more fun in a Ford Focus than I do in my M3 you must be driving like my grandma and I knew that since we started this conversation.

Anyway, just for the fun of it.

HOCKENHEIM SHORT
BMW M3 E92 1:14.2
Vette C6 1:14.8

You can't deny the facts.

Cheers
Robin

Yes you can't.

46. Chevrolet Corvette Coupe 6.2 C6 1:14.1 127 ´08 436 / 1462.2 sportauto
47. TVR Tuscan MK2 1:14.2 126 ´03 350 / 1100 Sport Auto
48. Porsche 993 GT2 1:14.2 126 ´95 436 / 1290 sportauto
49. Dodge Viper STR-10 (600hp) 1:14.2 126 ´08 612 / 1567 sportauto
50. Porsche 997 Carrera S 1:14.3 126 ´04 355 / 1420 "Sport Auto"
51. BMW M3 (E92) 1:14.3 126 ´07 420 / 1619 sportauto

The M3 loses again.

http://www.fastestlaps.com/track7.html
http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=0&tID=10306

Your magazine fails you again.

[Pirate]

Originally Posted by CoolToolGuy

How do you know what I can afford? I could have bought anything I wanted, including an M3, or a Z06, or a GT500KR, or a Viper


Have Fun,
Rick

I too chose a 135i (ordered) because it does everything very well and ranked highest in my fun meter. FUN!
OP's dilemma, mods and go fast 335i or Corvette? = Corvette.

[Robin_NL]

Anyway now I have to obey a guy who just sold his 328i and drives a Focus and don't know anything about racing, forever. Poor me.



Can we still be friends my master?

[NewSong]

Originally Posted by Robin Hood

please give me the source. My source is SPORTAUTO ISSUE 1 2009.

Corvette C6 1:14.8
BMW M3 1:14.2


Corvette 6.2 1:14.1
I didn't know that was the Corvette C6. They don't mention C6.

Seriously Robin Hood, are you a car enthusiast or just a BMW fanboy, because you simply don't know much about cars.

6.2 = 6.2 Liters, which the LS3 engine is. There was a smaller output LS2, but they don't make it anymore.

Like I said, the C6 crushes the E92 on the Nurburgring or Hockenheim.

[NewSong]

Originally Posted by Robin Hood

Anyway now I have to obey a guy who just sold his 328i and drives a Focus and don't know anything about racing, forever. Poor me.



Can we still be friends my master?

Yeah my Ford Focus dynos at 75whp with a tune. You might be able to beat me.

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by lyndon_h

Its cool.
And I didn't say that you were LYING at all. I said it looks like you MISTOOK (as in mistake) one Corvette's time for the other's time. Anyway, its all good. I'd take the F car too if money was no object, but we know how that works out (for most of us anyway).

Lyndon, NewSong(my master) told me I was lying...but I 'd say I wasn't informed very wel at that moment, and the pages of my carmag were sticking together blahblah.

But now I know, don't mess with a Corvette...or a guy in a 05 Ford Focus.

[MVF4Rrider]

Originally Posted by Pirate

I too chose a 135i (ordered) because it does everything very well and ranked highest in my fun meter. FUN!
OP's dilema, mods and go fast 335i or Corvette? = Corvette.

I wouldn't say everything well...but it's a capable car. Steering is vague and too easy (as if weighted for joe average driver), the car dips dramatically to the outside front corner on cornering, the motor has great grunt but runs out of steam at high rpms, the brakes look far better than they bite, and high speed stability is scary. Easily a jack of all trades and master of none. But what do you expect? It's a 4 door hatch with a nicer track suit. Good effort to create a coupe from a hatch which was never designed to wear performance wheels/rubber. The next generation will be far better, which is why it'll have a very short 3 year lifespan.

A great whole package it's not. But seems most just care about stratight line performance. It can benefit greatly from more downforce and lower CG, and a decent set of coilovers.

I found it to be not so fun, which is why one isn't sitting in my garage (anymore). But maybe I just have higher expectations than most???

Now back to the stupid vette vs. 335i debate...

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by NewSong

Seriously Robin Hood, are you a car enthusiast or just a BMW fanboy, because you simply don't know much about cars.

6.2 = 6.2 Liters, which the LS3 engine is. There was a smaller output LS2, but they don't make it anymore.

Like I said, the C6 crushes the E92 on the Nurburgring or Hockenheim.

Let's call it dyslectic, I it was on the other page(seriously) whatever.

I don't call 0.2 seconds crushing and I don't know a lot about Corvettes you're right but a bit about cars and motorsports.

I can show around some of our racingtracks in my car around here and I guess you won't say any word about it again. You are the car enthousiast and know a lot about cars, I'm the driving enthousiast. Come on over to Western Europe, I'll show you how it's done. No NASCAR sh1t, just real driving.

[NewSong]

Originally Posted by Robin Hood

Let's call it dyslectic, I it was on the other page(seriously) whatever.

I don't call 0.2 seconds crushing and I don't know a lot about Corvettes you're right but a bit about cars and motorsports.

I can show around some of our racingtracks in my car around here and I guess you won't say any word about it again. You are the car enthousiast and know a lot about cars, I'm the driving enthousiast. Come on over to Western Europe, I'll show you how it's done. No NASCAR sh1t, just real driving.

Okay fine. Where are we going to meet up?

[lyndon_h]

There was a 3% drop in GDP this quarter which can be contributed to the ongoing discussion of the C6 vs. 335i.

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by NewSong

Okay fine. Where are we going to meet up?

*searching 'Irvine' on google maps*

Well, err
when are you planning to visit Europe?: I'm going to South America in about a few months and my daughter is going to Orlando FL in september (as I recall) but that still is nowhere near 'Irvine' I guess.

[NewSong]

Originally Posted by Robin Hood

*searching 'Irvine' on google maps*

Well, err
when are you planning to visit Europe?: I'm going to South America in about a few months and my daughter is going to Orlando FL in september (as I recall) but that still is nowhere near 'Irvine' I guess.

Well I've been pricing out E92 M3s, and they are getting cheap now days. Maybe I'll do European delivery (especially if BMW does 8% off MSRP for ED as has been rumored on M3Post).

Want to catch lunch if I do?

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by NewSong

Well I've been pricing out E92 M3s, and they are getting cheap now days. Maybe I'll do European delivery (especially if BMW does 8% off MSRP for ED as has been rumored on M3Post).

Want to catch lunch if I do?

Munich is about 600 miles from where I live, Cologne about 200, Hamburg about 200, Bremen about 150...

IF you 'd buy a E9x M3 don't expect a lot of torque below 4000rpm and don't expect many mpg.

[gshb]

can i come? im usually about an hour and a half east of munich in burghausen. ill pay for lunch...

[NewSong]

I just came from an E92 328i, and now I'm in a 2005 Ford Focus BASE, the torque should be fine.

The MPG will probably suck, but I suspect most people buying a $65,000 car don't mind too much.