[Weiman]

Originally Posted by V-Eight

It's a shit....nothing more. Don't like this new BMW future at all. It seems they were inspired directly from "demolition Man" movie..... I'm totally disgusted.

It's not "a shit". It is "the law".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electr...ds#Regulations

[evanescent03]

Originally Posted by BMWModel3

This is my 9/11

then you're pretty screwed if something actually bad ever happens in your life ....

[alex2364]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

And I'm taking the "no manuals" position for G8x and all G22 based on the limited and inconclusive info I have right now.

What about RWD for G8x?

[Wozich]

Any info on how will the naming for diesel hybrids look like in Europe? x30de, x30e or just x30d?

[EvoFire]

Originally Posted by Ilyam5

Any news on the engine update for x3 m40. Is it getting m340 engine with 382hp. Is the sop still september like it says in ordering guide for 2020 x3 m40?

I don't know how much relevance the Canadian models have for the US models, but I obtained a MY20 X3 ordering guide.

The Canadian MY20 are getting new engines:
B46B20O1
B58TUO1

The B58 code doesn't seem to match up normal naming conventions, but I would assume the O1 would mean 382hp

We are also getting ID7 and Live Cockpit Pro as standard

[LemonOne]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

And I'm taking the "no manuals" position for G8x and all G22 based on the limited and inconclusive info I have right now.

I guess they are giving the next M2 a manual option
M3/M4 slowly taking over M5 territory

[EvoFire]

Originally Posted by LemonOne

I guess they are giving the next M2 a manual option
M3/M4 slowly taking over M5 territory

I question if that will even happen. They seem to be committed to reducing the amount of drivetrain configurations, hence standard comp pack on the M4 now, the G20 m340i only coming in auto and xDrive.

I feel the chance of the M2 getting a bespoke manual and the M3/4 not getting it would be fairly low. Starting to wonder if there will be a M2, cause maybe the S58 will only be paired with xDrive.

[Peter Lichtenstein]

Relax lads, manual M3 and M4 are here to stay.

https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1636871

BB: The upcoming BMW M3 and M4 are some of the most highly anticipated M cars in a very long time. Will there be any surprises for BMW fans?

MF: No, it’s a bit early to disclose all the details but something I want to highlight is that we will have a manual stick shift. We have already disclosed we will have the option of four-wheel drive. We’ve not decided which variant, which system, but everything that’s on our current lineup; think of the M5; can be made available. The M3 and M4, I’ve driven the pre-production cars already and they’re fantastic.

[danniexi]

BB: The upcoming BMW M3 and M4 are some of the most highly anticipated M cars in a very long time. Will there be any surprises for BMW fans?

MF: No, it’s a bit early to disclose all the details but something I want to highlight is that we will have a manual stick shift. We have already disclosed we will have the option of four-wheel drive. We’ve not decided which variant, which system, but everything that’s on our current lineup; think of the M5; can be made available. The M3 and M4, I’ve driven the pre-production cars already and they’re fantastic.

coming from Markus Flasch himself and the fact that this article was posted yesterday should be reassuring the those who want a manual transmission. maybe not at launch but certainly within a few months after SOP.

[Tim@codemybimmer]

Originally Posted by EvoFire

I don't know how much relevance the Canadian models have for the US models, but I obtained a MY20 X3 ordering guide.

The Canadian MY20 are getting new engines:
B46B20O1
B58TUO1

The B58 code doesn't seem to match up normal naming conventions, but I would assume the O1 would mean 382hp

We are also getting ID7 and Live Cockpit Pro as standard

Yes, that's the same information I got from my SA on the order guide.

These engines are the same ones in the G20 3er and G29 Z4, so both the B46 and B58 are getting power bumps with the G01 X3.

[Frosty]

Does anyone know (SCOTT?) if it's finalized that the G22 4 Series Coupe will not be receiving a manual transmission in any trim level?

[V-Eight]

Originally Posted by Weiman

It's not "a shit". It is "the law".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electr...ds#Regulations

Off course, the law is the law. But for me it'a shitty sound.

[Bond056]

Awesome,would love any of the new 3 or 4 series M models

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by Frosty

Does anyone know (SCOTT?) if it's finalized that the G22 4 Series Coupe will not be receiving a manual transmission in any trim level?

I have found several independent confirmations of this.

(Top post updated with this and also another M2 version.)

[ynguldyn]

I have figured out how to distinguish between automatic and manual G80s (hey BMW, kudos to whoever came up with that "X"). And yes, this means all the recent interviews and "leaks" are true, and G80 will offer a choice of transmissions.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

I have figured out how to distinguish between automatic and manual G80s (hey BMW, kudos to whoever came up with that "X"). And yes, this means all the recent interviews and "leaks" are true, and G80 will offer a choice of transmissions.

That’s good news.

Do you think you will eventually be able to determine which combinations of transmission, drive wheels, and power output will be offered? Or will that have to wait until specs are made expressly public by BMW?

[brad850csi]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

That’s good news.

Do you think you will eventually be able to determine which combinations of transmission, drive wheels, and power output will be offered? Or will that have to wait until specs are made expressly public by BMW?

I said this about 8 weeks ago when we thought there might be 3 specs of engine and there were rumours that one option was going to be dropped and EVERYONE thought it was the manual option that instead it would be that instead of having 3 power options that it would be cut down to 2 in order to match the already emissions certified 2 versions available in the X3M/X4M.

I'm going to guess the 480ps spec engine will be the only option for the manual rwd car and the zf8at cars will be available as 480ps for the normal one, or 510ps for the comp pack.

I'm going to say there is 0% chance that 6mt and awd will be a thing.

[brad850csi]

replying to myself, so sad. I'm referencing this post

https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...&postcount=296

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by brad850csi

I said this about 8 weeks ago when we thought there might be 3 specs of engine and there were rumours that one option was going to be dropped and EVERYONE thought it was the manual option that instead it would be that instead of having 3 power options that it would be cut down to 2 in order to match the already emissions certified 2 versions available in the X3M/X4M.

Yes, that was my prediction last year when ynguldyn first wrote about powertrain details:

https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...1#post23905991

Still, the possibility that the manual transmission won't properly handle the torque produced by even the would-be baseline S58 as found in the standard X3/X4 M (and presumably the upcoming standard AWD M3/M4) has some merit. Factor in the likelihood that the S58+6MT combo will also be headed to the G87 M2 which will surely continue to be separated from the standard M3/M4 in part by having a lower engine output, and this idea has legs.

I'm going to say there is 0% chance that 6mt and awd will be a thing.

I would agree.

But, the reason I asked ynguldyn the question in my post wasn't because I don't think we have honed in on the likely specs with a high degree of certainty. On the contrary, I think that the community has collectively pieced things together what is probably a pretty accurate picture of the G80's mechanical specifications. Rather, I am looking for 100% confirmation. And while I personally think that the exact engine output of the expected RWD 6MT model - whether it be the same as the standard AWD model or slightly less - to be a minor point, there is a vocal fanbase who is very concerned about that number.

[brad850csi]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Yes, that was my prediction last year when ynguldyn first wrote about powertrain details:

https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...1#post23905991

Still the possibility that the manual transmission won't properly handle the torque produced by even the would-be baseline S58 as found in the standard X3/X4 M (and presumably the upcoming standard AWD M3/M4) has some merit. Factor in the likelihood that the S58+6MT combo will also be headed to the G87 M2 which will surely continue to be separated from the standard M3/M4 in part by having a lower engine output, and this idea has legs.



I would agree.

But, the reason I asked ynguldyn the question in my post wasn't because I don't think we have honed in on the likely specs with a high degree of certainty. On the contrary, I think that the community has collectively pieced things together what is probably a pretty accurate picture of the G80's mechanical specifications. Rather, I am looking for 100% confirmation. And while I personally think that the exact engine output of the expected RWD 6MT model - whether it be the same as the standard AWD model or slightly less - to be a minor point, there is a vocal fanbase who is very concerned about that number.

Agreed with all of that. It would be a shame if the 6MT was nerfed just because they wanted to nerf it to create a point of difference.

The F10 M5 and F06/12/13 M6 were available with the 6MT with 575ps and 500ftlb, the S58 is going to be nowhere near those figures. I don't see why the 510ps and 442lbft in the Competition would be a problem other than marketing. I'd guess that at higher speeds the 6MT will have quite a bit less drag than the zf8at + awd combo and maybe BMW would be worried about the 6MT being better at higher speeds.

[MikeTerp]

Is there confirmation that BMW will offer the 4 series GC in 2021 (probably as a 2022 model)? Have seen little written on this. Thanks.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

But, the reason I asked ynguldyn the question in my post wasn't because I don't think we have honed in on the likely specs with a high degree of certainty. On the contrary, I think that the community has collectively pieced things together what is probably a pretty accurate picture of the G80's mechanical specifications. Rather, I am looking for 100% confirmation. And while I personally think that the exact engine output of the expected RWD 6MT model - whether it be the same as the standard AWD model or slightly less - to be a minor point, there is a vocal fanbase who is very concerned about that number.

I've just added everything I can say about G80 to the top post. Though I still feel like I'm on shaky ground here.

If anything, I suspect my confusion and the resulting collective hair pulling on this site are partially to blame for the concrete info coming out of BMW executives' mouths and the weird photo "leak" from Madrid. So it seems like it ultimately worked to our benefit.

Originally Posted by MikeTerp

Is there confirmation that BMW will offer the 4 series GC in 2021 (probably as a 2022 model)? Have seen little written on this. Thanks.

Yes, it's coming. It's just too soon to give precise details.