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There is also the dynamic that says, "If they be looking at him now, they might be looking at me tomorrow".
Some think less looking is the answer to this problem, rather than better looking. Murf |
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It doesn't work like that. If one person is in the spotlight, we're all in the spotlight. Nobody wants to be under the microscope because one person can't follow the rules, so that person gets checked by somebody with more juice than they have. If a Deputy talks to his mistress on a county issued cell phone, for example, and the powers that be catch wind of it, they start checking all of our phones. This isn't a culture of exclusion. There's a saying that goes around....."Officers/Deputies are their own worst enemy."
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Here's a perfect example of how the decision(s) of one person affects us all. Up until the middle of last year, the carotid restraint was still an allowable application of force for assaultive/high risk situations. Somebody in another state got in trouble and other departments - including mine - either completely rendered the carotid restraint a policy violation under ANY circumstance or, as the case with my department, moved it to the deadly force category. Exclusion?!? Yeah we wish. That decision just made it more difficult for EVERY female on the department to defend herself against a stronger/larger opponent.
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I was not referring to the good cops, but rather to those who perhaps even you, would rather not work with for how they treat people as a whole. As I stated earlier, there certainly are more Chauvins out there, but this mess will just keep going in cycles, because (I believe) no one accepts responsibility. Likewise when mass shootings happen, the NRA suddenly hugs there weapons, and points fingers in different directions. I accept that society, as a whole, is messed up, and agree that the burden is placed on those of your profession that strive to do your best on a daily basis. Your dialogue of trying to be open is helpful, but it is also very defensive. In fairness, if you questioned me about society, I too would point out all the good that it has done.
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Since you brought the NRA into this.... ....if you don't find the focus on AR15's disingenuous, then you're not being honest (...nor are you paying attention to the statistics). That was a general statement, not directed at you specifically. |
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As for the weapons issue, why have dialogue after the fact? The mental and weapons issues only come up because someone goes crazy, and "suddenly" everyone has a problem, "but not me". I'm not being disingenuous about AR-15s, but I do remember when AK-47s and automatic AR-15 were legal, as I'm sure you do. Like wise you certainly remember that bank shooting where these two robbers kept you guys at bay with your peashooters, being the reason you guys had to get better weapons. The guns were innocent; the guys holding them on the other hand... Last edited by rwheels; 04-06-2021 at 01:25 PM.. |
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I want to thank you for a fair and respectable dialogue, and glad that you are straight with your answers. Be safe out there. Wouldn't mind taking a ride with you, but only to show you respect as the person you are, thanks! |
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Come ride. I'll purposely get us into something and show you a good time. Whenever I'm looking, I find it. Unfortunately I tend to find it even when I'm not looking as well. Lol! |
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And I wouldn't expect you to break precedent & try to shine a light on the subject; I can Google! Many folks have heard of Frank Serpico. "In 1970, New York City organized the Knapp Commission to hold hearings on the extent of corruption in the city's police department. Police officer Frank Serpico's startling testimony against fellow officers not only revealed systemic corruption but highlighted a longstanding obstacle to investigating these abuses: the fraternal understanding among police officers known variously as "the Code of Silence" and "the Blue Curtain" under which officers regard testimony against a fellow officer as betrayal." Wiki It didn't start or stop there. In fact, police unions have been trying to hide & protect member behavior continuously, often to the detriment of the community they are serving (Chauvin's legal bills are being paid by his police union). This "Blue Wall" type of thing is also a problem in the elite armed forces like the Green Berets, but they are often prosecuted more successfully. Clan: "More restriction is not going to significantly reduce crime (...proven by the ineffective 1994 assault weapon's ban, which is why the inherent subset clause took effect)" ABC News: "One of the most-cited studies on the effectiveness of the ban was done in 2004. That federally funded report by the National Institute of Justice at the Department of Justice found that the number of gun crimes involving automatic weapons dropped by 17% in the six cities involved in the study during the ban." "However, the ban’s exemption of millions of pre-ban AWs [assault weapons] and LCMs ensured that the effects of the law would occur only gradually. Those effects are still unfolding and may not be fully felt for several years into the future, particularly if foreign, pre-ban LCMs continue to be imported into the U.S. in large numbers," the report stated." Pollyanna was not a police chief. Murf: Last edited by Littlebear; 04-06-2021 at 02:40 PM.. |
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Murf#2,
It looks to me like I agree with you 99%. The system sucks. You site your supporting cases, and then we have progressives saying the system sucks too, siting their favorite cases. Stasis is not the answer; agents for change are not the enemy. We have seen computers change policing (Bratton?), as we will see other forces changing policing. We need to be pro-active, or else entropy will rule. Murf |
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Hey Sedan_Clan and Murf993 , I just want to say how much I admire the both of you in trying to educate laymen about police work in general. You will however never be able to convince cop hating dickwads who know nothing about the profession except regurgitating and plagiarizing internet articles. Very proud of you. XO
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