[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Originally Posted by matbl

...Ah is kind of useless when comparing stored energy.

I "kind of" disagree. This is a debatable topic so I'm not saying you're wrong per-se. Just not totally correct either.

[shaunatl]

Originally Posted by matbl

So 120 Ah is 44 kWh. Useful when comparing to other brands since Ah is kind of useless when comparing stored energy.

I would prefer they use kWh as well, but so far this is the way they've chosen to differentiate the two batteries available for the i3.

[Weiman]

Originally Posted by glennQNYC

I "kind of" disagree. This is a debatable topic so I'm not saying you're wrong per-se. Just not totally correct either.

He is totally correct. Ah is not a measure of energy. BMW are in the wrong here as they make it difficult to compare the capacity with other brands.

[matbl]

Originally Posted by glennQNYC

I "kind of" disagree. This is a debatable topic so I'm not saying you're wrong per-se. Just not totally correct either.

Well....
If I take 40 standard rechargeable AA batteries each of 3000 mAh and couple them in parallell I will have a 120 Ah battery.
Can I go a hundred or so miles in an i3 with it? Of course not, it only contains 0.048 kWh of energy since the voltage is 1.2V.
So same Ah rating but close to a thousand of the energy....

So no, it's not debatable, Ah is not a measurement of stored energy.
J (for joule) or kWh are.
It's how the laws if physics work.

[Gatte]

Originally Posted by RPM33

M3 Adjuster: Do you have a deposit yet for the M2 CS or CSL?

I don't think he needs a deposit. He's not going to get what he wants with the M2 CSL.

Originally Posted by 10"

If the Cayman GTS is $80k you will never ever ever see a GT4 at $90-95k. Minimum of $105k

As much as you'd like to think BMW care about Cayman pricing they do NOT. The M2 doesn't even have the same target audience...that's why you saw a very expensive M4 GTS get released that was nowhere near as good as a 911 GT3 but priced not that much less than...

My calculations were merely to show you how expensive "CSL" models have traditionally been.

The upcoming GT4 will be in the 90K - 100K range, probably about 95K.

The 4.0L in the next GT4 will be the old 3.8 increased to 4.0 and not the GT3 engine as a lot of people believe. It won't have a 9K redline either.

Porsche does not increase prices drastically so we should not see a huge bump.

Now, apparently there is a 9K redline 718 as well but Porsche wants to make us think it's just a figment of our imagination. That could be an RS and priced well into 6 figures. Whoopsy on rennlist would know more.

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

thanks... but I'm not new to the game..

and I will say it again... find a BMW and a Porsche that " compete" with each other... and I am confident that MSRP for MSRP... the BMW will be cheaper.

indeed... to make matter worse on the Porsche side. the Porsche will be NOWHERE near MSRP as equipped on the lot.. but that's not the concern here.


When I bought my 1M. it was priced at 46-53K and was compared to the $76K base price Cayman R in nearly every car mag/rag on the planet.

The M2 at 52.5 is less than a stock Cayman.

An M2 Comp is way less than a $69K Cayman S.. let alone a Cayman GTS.

And an M2 CSL.. will be way less than whatever Porsche model people will compare it to .... likely the Cayman GT4.

The BMW M4 is compared to the 911 (rightly or wrongly) and again.. always cheaper.
The M4 GTS at $134,500 is about as close as I can think of in a comparison matchup as it is only about 9-10K shy of a $143,600 911 GT3

The M2 CSL should be around the high 80K or 90K range. Not sure why we have to wait till 2021 for it though when BMW probably has a good proof of concept vehicle already.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Gatte

The M2 CSL should be around the high 80K or 90K range. Not sure why we have to wait till 2021 for it though when BMW probably has a good proof of concept vehicle already.

Based on the timing of the M4 ending summer after next , there is plenty of time for both an M2 CS and M2 CSL.

[SCMike]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Based on the timing of the M4 ending next summer there is plenty of time for both an M2 CS and M2 CSL.

Based on the very top of this very thread, the EOP is 2020, not 2019:

F32 4er - 06/20
F82 M4 - 06/20

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by SCMike

Based on the very top of this very thread, the EOP is 2020, not 2019:

F32 4er - 06/20
F82 M4 - 06/20

1 year ahead of myself, yes . edited for factual correctness on the EOP date. But back to my point ...

F22 2er - 10/21
F23 2er - 10/21
F87 2er - ??/??

[david9999999]

Originally Posted by Gatte

The M2 CSL should be around the high 80K or 90K range. Not sure why we have to wait till 2021 for it though when BMW probably has a good proof of concept vehicle already.

Is there any chance one of these "proof of concept" vehicles had a manual transmission?

[Jason]

Here is the schedule of Start of Production and End of Production dates for some 2019MY models:

BMW 2019 Model Year Schedule - Start and End of Production Dates For All Models

[ynguldyn]

No more 3GT, 230i seems to be the only planned model of G42 at this time, couple other little bits.

With the cancellation of G24, I'm really curious to hear Scott's new explanation of the absence of G21 in the U.S.

[BimmerMat135]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

No more 3GT, 230i seems to be the only planned model of G42 at this time, couple other little bits.

With the cancellation of G24, I'm really curious to hear Scott's new explanation of the absence of G21 in the U.S.

Now we need a G21 M340xi and a G81! What are the odds of getting a X5 40d in North America for MY2020?

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by BimmerMat135

Now we need a G21 M340xi and a G81! What are the odds of getting a X5 40d in North America for MY2020?

Slim to zero.

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

No more 3GT, 230i seems to be the only planned model of G42 at this time, couple other little bits.

With the cancellation of G24, I'm really curious to hear Scott's new explanation of the absence of G21 in the U.S.

It seems in the US both 3er GT and Touring are completely outmatched in sales by the X3. With X3 outperforming both combined.

Certainly the choices of X3 will be increased in the US market especially in the EV category with the full EV iX3 and hybrid X3 iPerformance. And of course the High Performance X3M.
Still no US production identified for G21 (as of now)

With the GT originally it was to be combined 5er GT style as the 4er GT, however a new Gran Coupe has taken precedent what with the new 8 forming a path for a smaller series model reflecting the larger 8 series family. The styling direction certainly of the 4er Coupe will equal a very dynamic styled offering in the Gran Coupe that they are discussing the possibility of the first M4 Gran Coupe.

Then we have the production model of the Visioni Dynamics to be known as the i4. Again with GT and 4er Gran Coupe it would be somewhat crowded.

This makes sense as the M5 and M8 are completely distinguished from each other that no one can state M8 is just an M5 Coupe as they did with the M6.
To do so would offer distinct space for M3 vs M4.

Of course we have to consider the progress and we will see further implementation of the core,progress and escalation of an M series.

Whilst some models will offer less progress than others due to their particular series. What we will see which is actually marketing genius as shown in M2 and M5 Competition. Is for the model to become additional therefore increasing the margin and offering another additional supplemental model or models.

[cj98]

I posted this question in the 2019MY production thread, but I see the model in the first post here, so maybe it is better to ask in this thread.

Is there any more specific news on the 2019 X3 xDrive30e phev? Other than it being a 2019 model, is there any info pointing at it being 3rd quarter, 4th quarter, or next year?

[squeaky]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Slim to zero.

I'm really disappointed that they won't offer a diesel, even though the engine is certified and offered in the 540d. And, I'm guessing it will not be offered in the X7, which we've been planning on buying ever since it was announced. Even though I own an i3 BEV, I'm just not a fan of hybrids; I simply don't like the added weight that comes with adding batteries to the drivetrain. For a vehicle of the X7's size, a diesel engine would be ideal. So, if the BMWNA X7 product manger is reading this. . . .

[mbanks21]

Haven't been following this thread lately, what are the current odds on a M240 GC RWD 6speed?

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by mbanks21

Haven't been following this thread lately, what are the current odds on a M240 GC RWD 6speed?

Those odds are zero.

Just for a bit more background, this thread would not necessarily be the predominant place to have been made aware of that fact. Instead, you may have been more likely to come across it in one of the discussions (which have been featured on the front page of BimmerPost) about the UKL-based F44 2 Series Gran Coupe which is due next year.

https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1425466

[BimmerMat135]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Slim to zero.

Well in that case do you have more info about the 45e setup? Battery size, electric engine power output and total output hp/nm?

[squeaky]

When does the X7 start production?

[teaston]

What is the EOP for F20/21 ynguldyn , I see it’s not included in the OP?

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by teaston

What is the EOP for F20/21 ynguldyn , I see it’s not included in the OP?

Not included because not sold in the U.S.

Next summer.