[cc3]

[QUOTE=SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by Law

If Mr. Marketing is going to lie, at least be a good one.
A transverse FWD platform is not going to yield 50/50 weight distribution.

BMW's own technical specs on the F48 X1 tell a different story from Scott.


Given that the X1 is xDrive and still doesn't achieve 50/50, common sense only dictates that a non-xDrive transverse car like a 225i Active Tourer should be closer to 60/40.

Whatever the case, FWD/transverse BMWs are NOT 50/50.

From the actual Press Release from BMW AG regarding the X1.

[the BMW X1 is the likewise newly developed chassis technology, which ensures not only precisely controllable handling, but also noticeably improved ride comfort. Together with the car’s low centre of gravity, virtually perfect 50 : 50 weight distribution, a wide track, short overhangs, optimised weight and the impressive rigidity of the body and chassis, this lays the foundation for a driving experience familiar to BMW drivers but without parallel in the segment./QUOTE]

In other words usual marketing spin!!

[Law]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

From the actual Press Release from BMW AG regarding the X1.

SCOTT26, if you really want to maintain credibility on an enthusiast forum, you're going to have to stop with the dishonesty.
It is quite absurd to use BMW's marketing propaganda as verbatim and attempt to pass it off as concrete fact when we have the actually technical specs refuting the marketing myth.


The fact is, 56.4/43.6 (even with xDrive) is closer to 60/40 than it is to 50/50.
In fact, it is "virtually" 60/40
A transverse BMW without xDrive (i.e., FWD only) will see an even more apparent 60/40 bias.

BMW's clever and smooth marketing eloquence in their press release might cause some to glance over without a second thought, but anyone who understands the basics of a transverse layout knows that there are inherent differences versus an FR layout and won't be convinced of the erroneous marketing claim for one second.

[Imola.ZHP]

Originally Posted by Mo@BMWofFairfax

Make sure to go for either 24 or 30 month lease! Residual drops at 36 months!

If you live in a state that gives a rebate, some of them require longer leases so be sure to figure the payment both ways, 36 months (if required) and include your state and/or local rebate(s) or 24 months without said rebates. In my state, Tennessee, they resumed rebates 2 weeks after I got my i3. But they require you to buy within Tennessee and require 36 months. I bought out of state, in Atlanta, Georgia, and did a 24 month lease. ATL had right at 100 between two sister lots, no one in Tennessee had that selection or the exact car I wanted, plus I got a great deal. So I'm not sure if I would have been better off with the 36 months and rebate and less of a deal, or if I did better going shorter and getting a better deal from ATL. I guess I'll find out in 9-10 months when its time to either buy my i3 or lease another one.

[F32Fleet]

Originally Posted by Needsdecaf

Good time to lease a 3 series or i3!

Better to buy

[Matski]

Interesting, I never knew the balance of an new X1 was so close to that of a 500hp V10 engined M6...

... the X1 must be amazing at the track!

[dst211]

I just test drove a c300 hoping it would at least be good enough to negotiate hard and walk away from a bum deal on a new 328. It was like driving through sand. I had an e46 before the f30. As much as the f30 gets shit, legitimately so, it's still a very agile car. The c300 was garbage to drive and the interior was not THAT much better.

Maybe MB does better on their higher trim cars but 328 vs c300 is really not competition.

[tonyzale]

Originally Posted by vegasevo9

Same thoughts here. We just bought a 2016 Civic Ex for my wife. For a lease payment of $220 a month, you get Apple Car Play, reverse camera, comfort access, projector headlights(i added hid), sunroof and it drives very well for a non german car.

I have a 2016 LCI M3 as well and wish i did not have to pay a lot of money on those features. I initially thought of getting my wife a 3 series but backout out due to this.

You are kidding right?

If you want a low payment just say that, but don't compare the $200/mo car to a car that costs twice as much, it's embarrassing. ...and it is classic over compensation for licking your wounds and not getting what you really wanted.

But hey, this a forum, so say what pleases you. It is enjoyable for me to ready silly things. Just like the "Onion"

[aerostar]

Originally Posted by tonyzale

You are kidding right?

If you want a low payment just say that, but don't compare the $200/mo car to a car that costs twice as much, it's embarrassing. ...and it is classic over compensation for licking your wounds and not getting what you really wanted.

But hey, this a forum, so say what pleases you. It is enjoyable for me to ready silly things. Just like the "Onion"

There's nothing wrong with what he said. The Civic comes w/ a lot of nice standard features that you have to put out some hefty cash for in the BMW lineup.

[Mywifes335]

Still haven't seen any new programs released to make purchase/lease more attractive.

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by Mywifes335

Still haven't seen any new programs released to make purchase/lease more attractive.

I wouldn't expect to see any. There are other, more cost effective, and safer options to slim inventory. That's what is hinted at in the OP.

[yousefnjr]

Originally Posted by tonyzale

You are kidding right?

If you want a low payment just say that, but don't compare the $200/mo car to a car that costs twice as much, it's embarrassing. ...and it is classic over compensation for licking your wounds and not getting what you really wanted.

But hey, this a forum, so say what pleases you. It is enjoyable for me to ready silly things. Just like the "Onion"

Reading comprehension, please.

Embarrassing indeed

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by yousefnjr

Reading comprehension, please.

Embarrassing indeed

The post cited isn't worded well either. Adding reference to "Projectors" is odd (how is this a benefit?). Sure the Civic is cheaper and a Lease Spec 3er would have most of those as extra, but they don't account for a significantly higher payment. It's the rest of the car, the things a Civic can't provide, that make the difference. If "intelligent financial choices" are considered, leasing a Civic isn't a good one.

[HawaiiG80Green]

Originally Posted by tonyzale

You are kidding right?

If you want a low payment just say that, but don't compare the $200/mo car to a car that costs twice as much, it's embarrassing. ...and it is classic over compensation for licking your wounds and not getting what you really wanted.

But hey, this a forum, so say what pleases you. It is enjoyable for me to ready silly things. Just like the "Onion"

Its called opinion. Great thing is i have both cars. I just wish i didnt have to pay for the features on my F80. Would i say i regret getting my M3? Hell no. Love this car. Peace.

[HawaiiG80Green]

Originally Posted by miamiten

The post cited isn't worded well either. Adding reference to "Projectors" is odd (how is this a benefit?). Sure the Civic is cheaper and a Lease Spec 3er would have most of those as extra, but they don't account for a significantly higher payment. It's the rest of the car, the things a Civic can't provide, that make the difference. If "intelligent financial choices" are considered, leasing a Civic isn't a good one.

Leasing or financing any car is not at all an intelligent financial decision indeed. We buy these vehicle to use them and our M's to make us happy. Driving experience. Hehe.

You gotta go out and drive a civic before you assume that it cannot provide. ��

[pbjjj]

Originally Posted by tonyzale

You are kidding right?

If you want a low payment just say that, but don't compare the $200/mo car to a car that costs twice as much, it's embarrassing. ...and it is classic over compensation for licking your wounds and not getting what you really wanted.

But hey, this a forum, so say what pleases you. It is enjoyable for me to ready silly things. Just like the "Onion"

I am with vegasevo9. I think BMW should be embarrassed when it comes to technology offering. Overall BMW owners do love BMW, but I can safely say majority of the BMW owners do wish BMW would make common options like rear-view camera standard. Blind-spot monitoring isn't even available for the new X1!

By the way, the new Civic is an excellent car. I am very glad that Honda is making Civic fun to drive again.

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by vegasevo9

Leasing or financing any car is not at all an intelligent financial decision indeed. We buy these vehicle to use them and our M's to make us happy. Driving experience. Hehe.

You gotta go out and drive a civic before you assume that it cannot provide. ��

Leasing isn't universally bad. For those who like more expensive vehicles and a new model every few years, or those who can utilize tax benefits that a purchase cannot fulfill, a well structured lease is definitely the way to go. Sub-$30k (and specifically $18k-$25k) vehicles tend to cost more on a lease unless the contract is exited in a non traditional manner.

[CSBM5]

Originally Posted by pbjjj

but I can safely say majority of the BMW owners do wish BMW would make common options like rear-view camera standard.

They won't have a choice (in the USA) come 2018 when rear view cameras are mandatory. In the meantime, they will continue to milk the customer as best as possible -- witness the F80, where if you even want just rear PDC, you still have to buy the $3500 "Executive Package".

[fecurtis]

Originally Posted by pbjjj

I am with vegasevo9. I think BMW should be embarrassed when it comes to technology offering. Overall BMW owners do love BMW, but I can safely say majority of the BMW owners do wish BMW would make common options like rear-view camera standard. Blind-spot monitoring isn't even available for the new X1!

By the way, the new Civic is an excellent car. I am very glad that Honda is making Civic fun to drive again.

Soon the backup camera will be standard (in the US anyway) as it will be required by law.

Germans are never known for offering a lot of standard features while Japanese automakers (especially Honda) are. Just the way it is.

[CSBM5]

Originally Posted by fecurtis

Soon the backup camera will be standard (in the US anyway) as it will be required by law.

Germans are never known for offering a lot of standard features while Japanese automakers (especially Honda) are. Just the way it is.

On the very cheapest Audi A3 standard equipment includes: "Parking system plus with rear view camera (front and rear acoustic parking sensors)". Standard on $30k Audi, yet requires $3500 option package on $70k F80 M3. Given competitor pressures, one would think we'll see this on every BMW for 2017 model year as standard equipment....one would think anyway.

[fecurtis]

Originally Posted by CSBM5

On the very cheapest Audi A3 standard equipment includes: "Parking system plus with rear view camera (front and rear acoustic parking sensors)". Standard on $30k Audi, yet requires $3500 option package on $70k F80 M3. Given competitor pressures, one would think we'll see this on every BMW for 2017 model year as standard equipment....one would think anyway.

You also get navigation standard on the F80 M3.

Plus to get a backup camera on a standard F30 it's only $950 since the packages are different.

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by CSBM5

On the very cheapest Audi A3 standard equipment includes: "Parking system plus with rear view camera (front and rear acoustic parking sensors)". Standard on $30k Audi, yet requires $3500 option package on $70k F80 M3. Given competitor pressures, one would think we'll see this on every BMW for 2017 model year as standard equipment....one would think anyway.

Audi isn't immune and in some ways almost as bad as Mercedes. Look at the S4 for example. PDC requires either the $4k Tech Package or Prestige trim level. Overall, BMW and Audi have done a pretty good job of meeting consumer demands with standard, single option, and package option equipment. If PDC was standard on the M3/M4 to make you happy, there will be equally if not more who complain because they don't want it.

[Hair Führer]

Stop complaining and whining! All opinions are not welcome!