[MattMD]

Originally Posted by SteveMD

It would still be risky. Only one little 140 character text needs to get out and your plan is done.

I take it that you think the plane landed somewhere? I find that very unlikely. It would have had to fly over sovereign nations at very low altitude requiring huge skill and cutting the fuel consumption in half. Again, too risky if the plane was being stolen. I do not believe either pilot was in charge of the flight deck.

My scenario is the correct one

Passengers tried to retake the cockpit and the 'pilot' put it into the southern Indian Ocean. I'm actually starting to wonder if the pilot got lost. All his nannies were turned off and he would have been flying visually. It would have been pitch dark over the ocean, he would have been tired and stressed and likely not well trained on the 777.

Or he ran out of fuel.

If I had to go with one, hijackers are conspirators with the pilot. The plane went up to 45k feet, killed the transponder, then depressurized the cabin, killing all passengers, crew, and maybe an uncooperative copilot because of hypoxia. With no resistance, the plane then vectored itself into the shadow of the other flight, proceeding to fly northwest towards Pakistan and those nations. After avoiding the main radar, it then vectored off of the shadow, flying real low over land below the radar, and then landed on an extremist's airstrip in Timbuktu.

I have no idea what happened. None of us do.

[Joekerr]

Originally Posted by fatpanda

maybe all d passengers had their mobiles taken or theyre all dead before landing...

im w d idea its resting at d bottom of d ocean, n itll take years before they find it...

English isn't your first language is it? Probably not even your second, third, or fourth either...

[solstice]

Originally Posted by MattMD

If I had to go with one, hijackers are conspirators with the pilot. The plane went up to 45k feet, killed the transponder, then depressurized the cabin, killing all passengers, crew, and maybe an uncooperative copilot because of hypoxia. With no resistance, the plane then vectored itself into the shadow of the other flight, proceeding to fly northwest towards Pakistan and those nations. After avoiding the main radar, it then vectored off of the shadow, flying real low over land below the radar, and then landed on an extremist's airstrip in Timbuktu.

I have no idea what happened. None of us do.

Pretty much my guess at this point in time with full agreement on your last two sentences.

Note: I take "Timbuktu" as a generic term for "any remote area" in range.

[fatpanda]

Originally Posted by Joekerr

English isn't your first language is it? Probably not even your second, third, or fourth either...

Where's my queen's English when I need it? Yes my eNgrish sucks big tym n i carnt spall ploperry...

anyway here's the latest news:

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Natio...medium=twitter

[fatpanda]

Originally Posted by MattMD

extremist's airstrip in Timbuktu.

if it went to africa, then my guess is its in somalia... home of the only modern day pirates left...

a new 777 costs abt US$260M, so even a 12yr old 777's engine has good scrap value & so I can only thk of africa as the only big continent which has ready buyers for 777 spare parts lol

[Maestro]

Originally Posted by SteveMD

No but as soon as you land, whether or not your 230+ passengers are alive, their phones will be pinging towers.

Again you assume they landed somewhere like the USA, you been watching too many Verizon or AT&T commercials.

There are place even in the US with there is no cell phone coverage, I have gone back packing there. But in third world places cell phone do not work you have to have a satellite phone.

[Maestro]

Originally Posted by SteveMD

It would still be risky. Only one little 140 character text needs to get out and your plan is done.

I take it that you think the plane landed somewhere? I find that very unlikely. It would have had to fly over sovereign nations at very low altitude requiring huge skill and cutting the fuel consumption in half. Again, too risky if the plane was being stolen. I do not believe either pilot was in charge of the flight deck.

My scenario is the correct one

Passengers tried to retake the cockpit and the 'pilot' put it into the southern Indian Ocean. I'm actually starting to wonder if the pilot got lost. All his nannies were turned off and he would have been flying visually. It would have been pitch dark over the ocean, he would have been tired and stressed and likely not well trained on the 777.

Or he ran out of fuel.

One of the down sides or 9/11 is the fact all plane today have harden cockpit doors, passagers are not getting through.

The pilots could still fly the plane with all the communication and transponder turned off, they nannies system as you call them are only use so the ground know who they are and where they are. All pilots can fly by instruments, so they have GSP telling their location, they have compass and other navigation system on the plane which do not require communication with the ground. All pilot believe it or not still carry around maps whether paper or electronic so they can still fly a plane the old fashion way which is by the seat of their pants.

[bmw325i]

This has happened before.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Bo..._disappearance

My guess is there was somebody on the plane that knew too much about something they weren't supposed to. It could be some type of government conspiracy which would explain why they can't find any of the evidence. Just my theory, but at this point we will probably never find out what really happened.

[SteveMD]

Originally Posted by fatpanda

if it went to africa, then my guess is its in somalia... home of the only modern day pirates left...

a new 777 costs abt US$260M, so even a 12yr old 777's engine has good scrap value & so I can only thk of africa as the only big continent which has ready buyers for 777 spare parts lol

It didn't have the range to get to Africa and there is no way that this was done for scrap value.

So ummm...no.

And nobody buys spare 777 parts. Be assured, when a nut and bolt needs replacing in a modern airliner, whoever is doing maintenance doesn't go to craigslist or the 'Jet Engine' section on eBay. There is a paper trail for everything done to that plane and all replacement parts are traceable.

[SteveMD]

Originally Posted by Maestro

One of the down sides or 9/11 is the fact all plane today have harden cockpit doors, passagers are not getting through.

The pilots could still fly the plane with all the communication and transponder turned off, they nannies system as you call them are only use so the ground know who they are and where they are. All pilots can fly by instruments, so they have GSP telling their location, they have compass and other navigation system on the plane which do not require communication with the ground. All pilot believe it or not still carry around maps whether paper or electronic so they can still fly a plane the old fashion way which is by the seat of their pants.

The pilot was well known for letting pretty girls into the cockpit. He further violated SOP by letting them smoke in the cockpit.

In any event, if there was a hijacker threatening the life of a passenger or crew, a pilot might open that door.

I'm still thinking the pilot may be on on it. Who knows.

[grimlock]

Originally Posted by bmw325i

This has happened before.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Bo..._disappearance

My guess is there was somebody on the plane that knew too much about something they weren't supposed to. It could be some type of government conspiracy which would explain why they can't find any of the evidence. Just my theory, but at this point we will probably never find out what really happened.

terrorists are the only people who would bring down a commercial airline to fulfill some purpose, unless you're already at war and it's the only way..
look up what Mossad, KGB, or the CIA do.. all you need is a guy on a motorcycle

the only types of government conspiracy I buy into are 'false flags' which is attacking someone/something and putting the blame on another country for justification for starting a war or some act of aggression

but coverups, they happen all the time

[grimlock]

Originally Posted by SteveMD

The pilot was well known for letting pretty girls into the cockpit. He further violated SOP by letting them smoke in the cockpit.

In any event, if there was a hijacker threatening the life of a passenger or crew, a pilot might open that door.

I'm still thinking the pilot may be on on it. Who knows.

at this point, there is no way anyone will ever know what physically happened on the plane as most likely it is lost/destroyed

the only thing we could hope to find is circumstantial evidence in the homes and background of the people who were on the plane
but that's a problem because only the Malaysians have access to the homes/family/acquaintences of the crew and there is big incentive for evidence tampering by the people on the ground wrt their personal politics

[kevinbahnz]

FIRE!!

[Vic311]

Originally Posted by bmw325i

This has happened before.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Bo..._disappearance

Just a follow up to that. Interesting timeline and history on previous flights that have vanished.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/...ry?id=22901809

[solstice]

Seems like planes need a solution of a few beacons/transponders that can't be switched off and can't be reached while in flight to shut down this risk and uncertainty of lost planes for good.

[SteveMD]

Originally Posted by Vic311

Just a follow up to that. Interesting timeline and history on previous flights that have vanished.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/...ry?id=22901809

No, this hasn't happened before. Most of those examples are older than 50 years when the US had three satellites in the sky. The example from 2003 was an unmarked cargo plane that took off from some podunk african strip without a flight plan.

We have never 'lost' a plane, especially a very big one like a 777.

[MiddleAgedAl]

Originally Posted by Maestro

One of the down sides or 9/11 is the fact all plane today have harden cockpit doors, passagers are not getting through.

NYT is now reporting that the path change westward over Malaysia was definately done via re-programming the computer, not the result of someone manually turning the plane.

"Flight 370’s Flight Management System reported its status to the Acars, which in turn transmitted information back to a maintenance base, according to an American official. This shows that the reprogramming happened before the Acars stopped working. "

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/18/wo...t.html?hp&_r=0

If true, then someone breached the reinforced cockpit door, and either had the skills to reprogram this themselves after they took out the pilots, or forced the pilots to do so at gunpoint, or the pilots did so willingly without anyone having to gain entry to the cockpit. Any way you slice it, this was not a mechanical failure at altitude. Given that, if they were then going to crash the plane for whatever purpose, why fly another 7 hours before doing so ? Seems more obvious they were diverting the plane to some other specific destination, which they may or may not have reached.

[Maestro]

^ you need to read my other postings, I am personally convinced it was the younger co-pilot who did what ever happen. No one in the cabin took over the plane. Unless it was number of people involved including people in the flight crew which again is too complicated to pull off.

Plus my comment about the cockpit door was that passengers are not got to storm the door and break it down like they did on flight 93 and try and stop someone from taking over the plane. I do not know the specifics about the door, but pilots who know said you are not getting through that door without some heavy tools or machines to pry it open. i.e. passengers are not going to get it open with plastic forks and spoons.

[bmw325i]

Originally Posted by SteveMD

No, this hasn't happened before. Most of those examples are older than 50 years when the US had three satellites in the sky. The example from 2003 was an unmarked cargo plane that took off from some podunk african strip without a flight plan.

We have never 'lost' a plane, especially a very big one like a 777.

Yeah I think the only one that is relevant is the one in 2003. The other planes most likely did not have modern electronics. The "stolen" plane in 2003 was never found.

[Vic311]

Originally Posted by SteveMD

No, this hasn't happened before. Most of those examples are older than 50 years when the US had three satellites in the sky. The example from 2003 was an unmarked cargo plane that took off from some podunk african strip without a flight plan.

We have never 'lost' a plane, especially a very big one like a 777.

HUH??> It has happened before, maybe not in the modern digital age, but it has happened. 2003, and 1962 seem pretty relevant.

[PINeely]

Originally Posted by SteveMD

No, this hasn't happened before. Most of those examples are older than 50 years when the US had three satellites in the sky. The example from 2003 was an unmarked cargo plane that took off from some podunk african strip without a flight plan.

We have never 'lost' a plane, especially a very big one like a 777.

Air France 447, although it was found relatively quickly.

[carve]

Here's a hypothesis that's actually sane: an electric fire occured. They pulled all the circuit breakers and headed to the nearest airport, were overcome by fumes, and the plane continued on autopilot until it ran out of gas or when the fire ruined the airframe.

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03...ectrical-fire/