[cmgbk75]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

Diesel were too economical, and lasted too long so they created “diesel gate” where they needed super special equipment that totally showed them letting off too much emissions - right in time for EV to be the big push.

Are you a Russian Bot?

[Squidget]

Yeesh, why does everything have to be a conspiracy?

Diesels never met the emissions targets that the diesel crowd promised, so the Europeans decided to shift to electric sooner. And the Americans never bought into it at all. You don't need to invent stuff. Diesel was only ever going to be a bridge solution on the way to electric.

And I say this as someone who SERIOUSLY considered getting a 335d (so much torque), but in the end I couldn't live without 6MT.

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by cmgbk75

Yes, and what was the best selling M Performance car last year? An Electric nobody wants called the i4 M50. What rock hit this person in the head and built a house over them?

The i4 did not and does not compete with “M” cars or competitors, and was handling outsold by its gas counterparts.

It’s true, no one wants them, which is why governments around the world are giving massive incentives and huge penalties to force people to switch. Denying this is blatant ignorance.

[cmgbk75]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

The i4 did not and does not compete with “M” cars or competitors, and was handling outsold by its gas counterparts.

It’s true, no one wants them, which is why governments around the world are giving massive incentives and huge penalties to force people to switch. Denying this is blatant ignorance.

Wrong again, “The best-selling BMW M automobile of 2022 is the all-electric BMW i4 M50,” says Timo Resch, Head of Customer, Brand and Sales at BMW M GmbH.

Nobody wants them….dude get over yourself and your alternative facts. Tell me what incentives I got when I got my ‘20 Model 3 Performance? None, except skipping some Exxon payments. Or how about my ‘22 i4? None again, except killer range in the city. Wander over to 4chan with this BS.

Apologies to all for jacking this CS thread, I don’t handle BS well. I’m done engaging with it.

Goodnight.

https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/globa...rd?language=en

[CodeSlinger]

Originally Posted by cmgbk75

Wrong again, “The best-selling BMW M automobile of 2022 is the all-electric BMW i4 M50,” says Timo Resch, Head of Customer, Brand and Sales at BMW M GmbH.

Nobody wants them….dude get over yourself and your alternative facts. Tell me what incentives I got when I got my ‘20 Model 3 Performance? None, except skipping some Exxon payments. Or how about my ‘22 i4? None again, except killer range in the city. Wander over to 4chan with this BS.

Apologies to all for jacking this CS thread, I don’t handle BS well. I’m done engaging with it.

Goodnight.

https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/globa...rd?language=en

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by cmgbk75

Wrong again, “The best-selling BMW M automobile of 2022 is the all-electric BMW i4 M50,” says Timo Resch, Head of Customer, Brand and Sales at BMW M GmbH.

Nobody wants them….dude get over yourself and your alternative facts. Tell me what incentives I got when I got my ‘20 Model 3 Performance? None, except skipping some Exxon payments. Or how about my ‘22 i4? None again, except killer range in the city. Wander over to 4chan with this BS.

Apologies to all for jacking this CS thread, I don’t handle BS well. I’m done engaging with it.

Goodnight.

https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/globa...rd?language=en

My dude, you’re being intellectually dishonest and outright just flippant when you’re incorrect.

The I4 does NOT compete with “M” cars was my previous statement. BMW considers anything with an M part of those sale numbers, including the M240i - which we all would agree isn’t an M2.

M cars carry a higher price tag and are lower production compared to the cars they are based on. The I4 is based on the 4 series, where it’s gas counterpart handily outsold it.

At 50k it isubstabirally cheaper than the Cheapest ///M3 which is 20k higher.

Overall, electric cars made up 5% of overall sales. You’re being disingenuous by stating there is a huge demand for these cars when they make up a FRACTION of actual sales and cost less than the actual high performance variants.

“cheaper car sells more, news at 11”

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by CodeSlinger

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Considering he didn’t say much, that’s pretty telling.

Edit: front page news:

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/a...114500321.html

If only electric vehicles would shoot sparks — in the marketplace, that is.

Despite the billions of dollars invested by private corporations, and government subsidies, Americans are still indifferent as a whole over electric vehicles.

Just two in every 10 Americans say they are “very likely” to buy an EV as their next car, according to a recent survey by the University of Chicago’s Energy Policy Institute and the AP-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research.

It’s a conspiracy!

[garyfried]

The only EV I even think about is the Toyota Murai. I think that Hydrogen fuel cells makes sense as the refueling is quick and about as easy as filling up a propane cylinder. Electric charging is going to be a challenge for cars once more EVs are on the road and the electric grids reach a maximum. In addition what can go wrong with hydrogen? I only wish hydrogen was available in my area as I'm quite interested in this advancement in vehicles.

[CodeSlinger]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

Considering he didn’t say much, that’s pretty telling.

Edit: front page news:

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/a...114500321.html



It’s a conspiracy!

Ah, so it's only derailing a thread when somebody else is doing it .

Rivian, Tesla and all the conventional car makers haven't been able to produce electric cars fast enough to meet demand. The premiums they have been going for on auction sites has been insane. That demand is slowing a bit now, as it is for all cars, but your assertion that "no one wants them" and that sales are lagging because electric variants are "pretty crap" is some brilliant head-in-the-sand bullshit.

I know people who own multiple teslas, rivians and lucids who absolutely, frikkin love them. And they all make too much money for the tax credits


Not to mention all these EV's that are still going for well over MSRP on auction sites:

https://carsandbids.com/auctions/KDG...ckup-edition-1
https://carsandbids.com/auctions/9X5...ckup-edition-1
https://carsandbids.com/auctions/r4p...launch-edition
https://carsandbids.com/auctions/35G...enture-edition

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by CodeSlinger

Ah, so it's only derailing a thread when somebody else is doing it .

Rivian, Tesla and all the conventional car makers haven't been able to produce electric cars fast enough to meet demand. The premiums they have been going for on auction sites has been insane. That demand is slowing a bit now, as it is for all cars, but your assertion that "no one wants them" and that sales are lagging because electric variants are "pretty crap" is some brilliant head-in-the-sand bullshit.

I know people who own multiple teslas, rivians and lucids who absolutely, frikkin love them. And they all make too much money for the tax credits


Not to mention all these EV's that are still going for well over MSRP on auction sites:

https://carsandbids.com/auctions/KDG...ckup-edition-1
https://carsandbids.com/auctions/9X5...ckup-edition-1
https://carsandbids.com/auctions/r4p...launch-edition
https://carsandbids.com/auctions/35G...enture-edition

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon...nd-2023-1?op=1

Tesla has slashed the prices of its Model 3 sedan and Model Y SUV between 6% and 20% in the US, as it reverses strategy after demand tapers

EVs are the future, but only people world governments say so, not consumers.

[zero21]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon...nd-2023-1?op=1



EVs are the future, but only people world governments say so, not consumers.

Great. Are you done?

[CodeSlinger]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon...nd-2023-1?op=1



EVs are the future, but only people world governments say so, not consumers.

Tesla is doing that as part of a price war with the traditional auto makers, they have margin to spare so they are cutting prices to stay dominant.

In the yahoo article you posted the primary concern people had was cost, as EV's are getting cheaper (per the article you just linked ) and more used EV's are on the market that will become less of a concern.

Obviously environmental concerns and government pressure are playing a part, but they are also many fantastic EV's that are the farthest thing from "pretty crap" vehicles that "no ones wants"

[cmgbk75]

Originally Posted by CodeSlinger

Ah, so it's only derailing a thread when somebody else is doing it .

Rivian, Tesla and all the conventional car makers haven't been able to produce electric cars fast enough to meet demand. The premiums they have been going for on auction sites has been insane. That demand is slowing a bit now, as it is for all cars, but your assertion that "no one wants them" and that sales are lagging because electric variants are "pretty crap" is some brilliant head-in-the-sand bullshit.

I know people who own multiple teslas, rivians and lucids who absolutely, frikkin love them. And they all make too much money for the tax credits


Not to mention all these EV's that are still going for well over MSRP on auction sites:

https://carsandbids.com/auctions/KDG...ckup-edition-1
https://carsandbids.com/auctions/9X5...ckup-edition-1
https://carsandbids.com/auctions/r4p...launch-edition
https://carsandbids.com/auctions/35G...enture-edition

You don’t say….https://carbuzz.com/news/bmw-m-will-...ustion-engines

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by CodeSlinger

Tesla is doing that as part of a price war with the traditional auto makers, they have margin to spare so they are cutting prices to stay dominant.

In the yahoo article you posted the primary concern people had was cost, as EV's are getting cheaper (per the article you just linked ) and more used EV's are on the market that will become less of a concern.

Obviously environmental concerns and government pressure are playing a part, but they are also many fantastic EV's that are the farthest thing from "pretty crap" vehicles that "no ones wants"

5% of total sales.

[CodeSlinger]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

5% of total sales.

Show me the mountains of unsold EV's, 5% of total sales is a production issue, not a demand issue.

Regardless you have clearly stopped trying to argue your brain dead "EV's are pretty crap vehicles that no ones wants" take so my work here is done.

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by CodeSlinger

Show me the mountains of unsold EV's, 5% of total sales is a production issue, not a demand issue.

Regardless you have clearly stopped trying to argue your brain dead "EV's are pretty crap vehicles that no ones wants" take so my work here is done.

5% of sales. New car prices were increased for ALL vehicles due to material shortages, used cars increased in price as a result. Again, EVs were 5% of sales.

Evs are absolutely garbage, and only the people with more money than actual sense are arguing otherwise.
I asked before and I’ll ask again :

How are you saving the environment by buying a new car every x years?
What’s more environmentally friendly - keeping a car you own or buying a new one?

EVs aren’t about saving anyone, they are about pushing people to be locked into an electrical grid and eventually be part of their total “consumption/carbon footprint” profile where they can essentially make you pick between heating your home and driving.

https://www.euronews.com/next/2022/1...p-you-pay-them

https://www.euronews.com/next/2022/1...p-you-pay-them

But I guess this is just a “conspiracy”

https://www.shellenergy.co.uk/blog/p...ture-of-energy

“Smart meters bring a whole host of benefits: they’ll tell you how much you’re spending in real time, which means there are no nasty surprises when your bill turns up. … But, perhaps best of all, smart meters give you real-time information on your energy use.

“They let you know exactly how much it’s costing you to boil that kettle or charge your phone. Armed with this knowledge, you can make a more informed decision about whether to turn up the heating, or put another load in the tumble dryer. …

“Smart meters are set to revolutionise the way we use electricity. They make it easier for suppliers like us to offer cheaper, off-peak rates for, say, charging your electric car. They tell us more about how you use your energy, which means we can offer you more suitable tariffs. It may be that, one day, you’re offered cheaper electricity on sunny or windy days, when clean energy is easier to come by.”

[AmuroRay]

Bookmark this - it’s been talked about in circle for years, you can come back and say you heard it here.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Lol @ hydrogen making more sense

If anyone would have implemented that is Cali, ask them how the clarity is doing lmaooooo

Damn I can’t wait for 2035. Or actually 2028-2030 when chit starts to get real mang!!!

2035 on the move!!!!

[CodeSlinger]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

How are you saving the environment by buying a new car every x years?
What’s more environmentally friendly - keeping a car you own or buying a new one?

The argument is about buying a new gas car vs a new electric car. Obviously continuing to drive your old car longer is best for the environment but eventually people buy new cars. I can't believe you need this explained to you.

EV's don't have an expiration date, their batteries need replacement and reconditioning with age and mileage but so do ICE's and there are fewer points of failure with electric motors and batteries than EV's.

Also the links you sent are literally just common sense, if the complete cost of fuel (including it's environmental effects) are imposed on fuel, then it should also be imposed on electricity. If it's better for the environment to charge your car during off peak times or when solar/wind energy is in surplus than of course that should be cheaper.

[Z K]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

Lol @ hydrogen making more sense

If anyone would have implemented that is Cali, ask them how the clarity is doing lmaooooo

Damn I can’t wait for 2035. Or actually 2028-2030 when chit starts to get real mang!!!

2035 on the move!!!!

My friend had a Clarity and now a Mirai. We did a 1000 mile road trip and it worked great.

Hydrogen EV refuels like a gasoline car, it has a huge range advantage over Battery EV and hydrogen can be produced using eco friendly means... there's no disadvantage other than cost at this point. Adoption is slow outside of California but it can ramp up.

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by Z K

My friend had a Clarity and now a Mirai. We did a 1000 mile road trip and it worked great.

Hydrogen EV refuels like a gasoline car, it has a huge range advantage over Battery EV and hydrogen can be produced using eco friendly means... there's no disadvantage other than cost at this point. Adoption is slow outside of California but it can ramp up.

He doesn’t care dude. He’s not here to discuss or debate. He’s here to troll.

[Pheonix]

Originally Posted by Patton250

He doesn’t care dude. He’s not here to discuss or debate. He’s here to troll.

The best way to deal with trolls is just ignore then. Don't feed them!