[MontyB1]

I don't think BMW has said people won't get updates, they will and are.

Apple also do this, they decided to more to a completely new chip architecture, can I run all my apps that I need on it no. Is it better, well yes for some people. So it happens in all industries.

Also do you want to be on the new latest and greatest that virtually nobody else in the BMW Group is on or in ID8 that all the key top cars in the brand is, careful what you wish for. New isn't always better as people are finding with recent updates failing already, is that going to improve or get worse, I wouldn't want to guess.

[JFDIT]

Originally Posted by MontyB1

I don't think BMW has said people won't get updates, they will and are.

Apple also do this, they decided to more to a completely new chip architecture, can I run all my apps that I need on it no. Is it better, well yes for some people. So it happens in all industries.

Also do you want to be on the new latest and greatest that virtually nobody else in the BMW Group is on or in ID8 that all the key top cars in the brand is, careful what you wish for. New isn't always better as people are finding with recent updates failing already, is that going to improve or get worse, I wouldn't want to guess.

I worked in software development for 40 years and fully accept your points. However, I would not expect a Brand New Model of Anything to be unable to take the next scheduled release of the operating system. A year or two done the line then fair enough. But we are talking less than a year here.

When it's known there is a step change in the Software requiring Different hardware then this is a consideration in the design and build of the supporting hardware leading up to the new software being available. Or of course you can just stuff the customer.

[ronime]

BMW have form when it comes to head units. IIRC the F30 had 4 or 5 different head units over the course of its model life cycle.

I have lost track of what the "truth" is regarding who is getting what in terms of UI updates on existing and yet-to-be-built U11 models. Are existing U11 owners going to get an update that skins iDrive to look like that on the yet-to-be-released Android-based head units?

I am a Software Engineer by profession and although I work mainly in the back-end services domain I do take a keen an interest in the latest user-facing technologies. For me though the iDrive 8 touch-based UI is a big distraction for drivers and I am less concerned with what the widgets will look like in the next version of iDrive and more concerned with whether RTTI, Spotify and the other connected services are actually going to be available the next time I drive the car.

[JFDIT]

@ronime, yes, everything I've read suggests that U11's plus some others running OS8 will get OS8.5 which makes it look like OS9 but without the appstore and who knows what else.

It's also rather annoying that BMW issue press releases that contradict previous statements and the supplying dealers have not been updated in advance. My dealer has been trying to get clarification as to what it means for the UK market since last week without success.

[tex2670]

Are there other brands that update generation versions of the car's operating system like that? To my knowledge, BMW has not updated the iDrive generation in the past for cars already produced, other than minor "software updates".

[MontyB1]

Originally Posted by tex2670

Are there other brands that update generation versions of the car's operating system like that? To my knowledge, BMW has not updated the iDrive generation in the past for cars already produced, other than minor "software updates".

The X3 LCI can have remote updates, the X3 pre lci can't get them, the current look X3 has also had 2x different versions adding onto the hardware change. Appreciate that is via an LCI recently but the previous update wasn't. Dials and screens also changed pre LCI.

There is no method to the madness.

[STE92VE]

Originally Posted by JFDIT

Brand new model should be capable of taking the brand new software. Seriously, would you expect to buy this year's iPhone and then find out it won't support the OS being released a few months later? C'mon BMW, this ain't good enough.

I agree but the upgrade to OS9 isn’t just a software upgrade it’s a different head unit. Supposedly OS8 will get the update to OS8.5 which “looks” like OS9. Fortunately, time is on my side and I can wait for OS9 since as many have said, if you’re getting the latest generation of X1, why not have the latest OS.

[tex2670]

Originally Posted by MontyB1

The X3 LCI can have remote updates, the X3 pre lci can't get them, the current look X3 has also had 2x different versions adding onto the hardware change. Appreciate that is via an LCI recently but the previous update wasn't. Dials and screens also changed pre LCI.

There is no method to the madness.

So on the X3, you have the ability to update from iDrive 7 to 8? Or 9 to 9? Or just 7.2, 7.3, etc?

[BMWZ4]

Originally Posted by tex2670

So on the X3, you have the ability to update from iDrive 7 to 8? Or 9 to 9? Or just 7.2, 7.3, etc?

Post LCI X3's cannot be updated to 8.x or 9 for that matter. Only increments of 7.x, so your assessment is correct.

My x3mc (pre-LCI) is 2020 ID6 (thought it was 7, but it's not)...not a huge fan of my wife's ID8...love my version super easy to navigate, has everything I need

[MontyB1]

Yeah I've got ID7 on my X3 and it just works no issues that I've found and actual buttons. Not sure why all manufactures want to move away from them, think the EU need to pass legislation that makes it easy to do X task in sub 1 second or something.

That way they have to provide good functionality. Some touch screens great, but complete, you work with it and nothing else but I'm still not convinced.

[Speedbird71]

Originally Posted by MontyB1

I don't think BMW has said people won't get updates, they will and are.

Apple also do this, they decided to more to a completely new chip architecture, can I run all my apps that I need on it no. Is it better, well yes for some people. So it happens in all industries.

Also do you want to be on the new latest and greatest that virtually nobody else in the BMW Group is on or in ID8 that all the key top cars in the brand is, careful what you wish for. New isn't always better as people are finding with recent updates failing already, is that going to improve or get worse, I wouldn't want to guess.

Apple did exactly what BMW is doing, transitioned from x86 to ARM. New versions of MacOS will continue to be made available for Mac with x86 chips for years. Developers can build apps that work on both platforms. Yes at some point x86 support will end, but it didn’t end when the first ARM-based Mac shipped 2 years ago

[ronime]

Originally Posted by Speedbird71

Apple did exactly what BMW is doing, transitioned from x86 to ARM. New versions of MacOS will continue to be made available for Mac with x86 chips for years. Developers can build apps that work on both platforms. Yes at some point x86 support will end, but it didn’t end when the first ARM-based Mac shipped 2 years ago

Apple did this twice. First time round was the transition from PowerPC to Intel. When I bought an Intel iMac in 2007 there were only 1 or 2 PowerPC apps shipped with the OS that needed Rosetta to run and by the time the next OS version was released all the PowerPC apps had been converted.

My late 2014 Intel iMac 5K is pinned at Big Sur. Monterey and Ventura have passed me by. About to pull the trigger on a Mac Mini M2 Pro though ...

[FlashMonkey929]

Originally Posted by ronime

Apple did this twice. First time round was the transition from PowerPC to Intel. When I bought an Intel iMac in 2007 there were only 1 or 2 PowerPC apps shipped with the OS that needed Rosetta to run and by the time the next OS version was released all the PowerPC apps had been converted.

My late 2014 Intel iMac 5K is pinned at Big Sur. Monterey and Ventura have passed me by. About to pull the trigger on a Mac Mini M2 Pro though ...

I’ve been awaiting news of a Max Studio update myself. My MacBook Air M1 was more than double the performance of my 2017 iMac, but I’m starting to feel the lag with all the RAW images I process now. Needing something with better, sustained performance now that work is moving back towards pre pandemic levels.

[ronime]

Originally Posted by FlashMonkey929

I’ve been awaiting news of a Max Studio update myself.

Yes, a Mac Mini M2 Pro with 32GB RAM is firmly in M1 Mac Studio territory price-wise. If you need 32GB RAM then possibly worth hanging on to see if an M3 Mac Studio surfaces before the end of the year and at what price.

[DFW1980]

Originally Posted by MontyB1

Yeah I've got ID7 on my X3 and it just works no issues that I've found and actual buttons. Not sure why all manufactures want to move away from them, think the EU need to pass legislation that makes it easy to do X task in sub 1 second or something.

That way they have to provide good functionality. Some touch screens great, but complete, you work with it and nothing else but I'm still not convinced.

iDrive 7 works just fine. I'm sure iDrive 8 will also work just fine.

I'm not really sure why people are fixated on having the latest and "greatest" software on everything. If it works, it works. If not, even iDrive 10, 11 or 12 will not be satisfactory.

[JFDIT]

Originally Posted by DFW1980

iDrive 7 works just fine. I'm sure iDrive 8 will also work just fine.

I'm not really sure why people are fixated on having the latest and "greatest" software on everything. If it works, it works. If not, even iDrive 10, 11 or 12 will not be satisfactory.

It's quite simple really. Windows 10 "works just fine" but I wouldn't buy a very expensive PC that wasn't running or couldn't be upgraded to Windows 11. Your money your choice.

[BMWZ4]

Originally Posted by JFDIT

It's quite simple really. Windows 10 "works just fine" but I wouldn't buy a very expensive PC that wasn't running or couldn't be upgraded to Windows 11. Your money your choice.

Then you should be holding out for this...2025 models (ship next July '24)...makes ID9 look sad, no? And no, it's not just a Head-Up display change...all ties in to newer ID versions...

https://www.motor1.com/news/657441/b...ming-2025/amp/

[JFDIT]

Originally Posted by BMWZ4

Then you should be holding out for this...2025 models (ship next July '24)...makes ID9 look sad, no? And no, it's not just a Head-Up display change...all ties in to newer ID versions...

https://www.motor1.com/news/657441/b...ming-2025/amp/

I'm not interested in HUD, so not something I'd want or order.

[BMWZ4]

Originally Posted by JFDIT

I'm not interested in HUD, so not something I'd want or order.

You should re-read because the new HUD will be directly linked to a newer ID version....I'd wait if I were you

[Tomduck]

I’m not sure it’s worth waiting over a year to 18 months just to have yet another new id, if you start down that road you would never order a car, because these days the next id will always bring something new and/or different…all current first generation U11 X1 and the new X2 coming next year won’t have this new windscreen either. My advice to anyone would be buy the current gen and in a few years you may see a f/lift with some new HUD screen, but even then probably not if we’re talking specifically about the X1

[DFW1980]

Originally Posted by BMWZ4

You should re-read because the new HUD will be directly linked to a newer ID version....I'd wait if I were you

I read somewhere that a replacement windshield for the 4 series was over $2000, just for the glass. The shop(Safelite?) replaced it with some OEM non-BMW glass first.. which cause havoc with the camera sensors and some safety features stopped working, etc... then the shop took it off and ordered a genuine BMW windshield, but they were unable to re-calibrate all the sensors behind the windshield, so the owner had to take it to a BMW dealer to have the calibration done at a cost of $300 or something.

Can't even begin to imagine what a full screen HUD windshield will cost if gets a crack from a rock or something. ($4000, $5000 or more?)

[Tomduck]

Agreed, there is a point at when for a normal road user this stuff goes OTT, especially on an item that it’s reasonable to expect you will need to replace in the time you own a car.