[Weather Man]

Originally Posted by gblansten

Need data.

Lazy.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Weather Man

Lazy.

Even if you were motivated I don't think you could find data supporting your claim that death by EV fire is higher than death by ICE fire. ICE fires are already occurring at ten times the rate of EV fires. Unlikely deaths in those events would be higher for EVs.

[Weather Man]

Originally Posted by gblansten

Even if you were motivated I don't think you could find data supporting your claim that death by EV fire is higher than death by ICE fire. ICE fires are already occurring at ten times the rate of EV fires. Unlikely deaths in those events would be higher for EVs.

Nice job ignoring the perfectly clear and understandable data I posted that you have been attempting to nay nay since I posted it. The ICE fire data bupkis has already been debunked when corrected. Nothing like a electric user in full denial. Funny how it's about the science until the science says you ride around in a car more likely to kill you by fire than a 1971 shitbox Pinto.

[Weather Man]

Originally Posted by gblansten

Even if you were motivated I don't think you could find data supporting your claim that death by EV fire is higher than death by ICE fire. ICE fires are already occurring at ten times the rate of EV fires. Unlikely deaths in those events would be higher for EVs.

Pay attention, you might learn something.

[Car-Addicted]

There are many articles showing that it is more expensive to insure EV's than it is similar ICE vehicles. No this is not due to all the EV fires or all the dead EV drivers, it due to the average loss's as determined by insurance actuarial tables. Insurance companies don't give a dam about YouTube fire videos. It's all about the loss pay outs and today's EV is more likely to be a total write off than a repairable wreck.

Are High Insurance Premiums Holding EVs Back?
May 8, 2024
But some consumers may be overestimating their potential savings. According to one analysis, while insurance for EVs varies a lot by make, EVs still cost around 20% more to insure in 2024 than internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles do.
While EV price tags are dropping, electric vehicles still have higher sales prices in general than ICE vehicles, which makes them more expensive to replace after accidents and more costly to insure. Between September 2022 and September 2023, the average price paid for EVs fell from $65,000 to $50,683, but that was still higher than the average price for all new vehicles ($47,899).

Repairs
EVs are more expensive to repair than ICE vehicles, for a handful of reasons. For starters, the replacement parts market hasn't kept pace with EV growth. There are also fewer repair shops and technicians qualified to work on EVs than on gas-powered cars. So parts cost around 25% more, and labor is more expensive, too. In 2023, EV repairs cost $1,322 more than ICE repairs on average.
On top of that, EVs have a major battery problem. While the battery in an EV accounts for the majority of the vehicle's value, it's more vulnerable to damage than the battery in an ICE vehicle and more expensive and dangerous to repair. The job can require a specialist.
EV battery issues are especially complex when it comes to Teslas, because some models have the battery parts glued together and sealed into the car, rendering them difficult to inspect and sometimes impossible to replace.
In 2023, the cost to replace an EV battery ran anywhere from $4,000 to $20,000, not including a labor bill that could be as high as $2,000. So even for an EV with minimal battery damage, a write-off could be more cost-effective.
https://www.insurancethoughtleadersh...lding-evs-back

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Weather Man

Pay attention, you might learn something.

Just seeing a guy with IBS.

[SteVTEC]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

There are many articles showing that it is more expensive to insure EV's than it is similar ICE vehicles. No this is not due to all the EV fires or all the dead EV drivers, it due to the average loss's as determined by insurance actuarial tables. Insurance companies don't give a dam about YouTube fire videos. It's all about the loss pay outs and today's EV is more likely to be a total write off than a repairable wreck.

Are High Insurance Premiums Holding EVs Back?
May 8, 2024
But some consumers may be overestimating their potential savings. According to one analysis, while insurance for EVs varies a lot by make, EVs still cost around 20% more to insure in 2024 than internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles do.
While EV price tags are dropping, electric vehicles still have higher sales prices in general than ICE vehicles, which makes them more expensive to replace after accidents and more costly to insure. Between September 2022 and September 2023, the average price paid for EVs fell from $65,000 to $50,683, but that was still higher than the average price for all new vehicles ($47,899).

Repairs
EVs are more expensive to repair than ICE vehicles, for a handful of reasons. For starters, the replacement parts market hasn't kept pace with EV growth. There are also fewer repair shops and technicians qualified to work on EVs than on gas-powered cars. So parts cost around 25% more, and labor is more expensive, too. In 2023, EV repairs cost $1,322 more than ICE repairs on average.
On top of that, EVs have a major battery problem. While the battery in an EV accounts for the majority of the vehicle's value, it's more vulnerable to damage than the battery in an ICE vehicle and more expensive and dangerous to repair. The job can require a specialist.
EV battery issues are especially complex when it comes to Teslas, because some models have the battery parts glued together and sealed into the car, rendering them difficult to inspect and sometimes impossible to replace.
In 2023, the cost to replace an EV battery ran anywhere from $4,000 to $20,000, not including a labor bill that could be as high as $2,000. So even for an EV with minimal battery damage, a write-off could be more cost-effective.
https://www.insurancethoughtleadersh...lding-evs-back

In my area, tons and tons and tons and tons of cars are running around with body damage, often unrepaired. I just realized recently that I have NEVER seen a Tesla with body damage on the road ever. It seems they're just written off.

[JimmyTheHand]

Originally Posted by SteVTEC

In my area, tons and tons and tons and tons of cars are running around with body damage, often unrepaired. I just realized recently that I have NEVER seen a Tesla with body damage on the road ever. It seems they're just written off.

One of the problems with EVs is the new/new to region manufacturers don't have dealers around to do repairs and often there is no information on how to repair them/what level of damage is safe/dangerous so independent body shops can fix them.

Then there is the issue of the system that kills the battery connection in the event of a collision, objective being to isolate the high voltage batteries from the wires so if any exposed wires exist they don't have lethal voltages exposed - this often results demands in new battery even if just a new Pyrofuse is needed.

If companies want to sell EVs they will have to sort sort it out the insurance issues and the risks associated batteries that generate fear.

[M5Rick]

Just 59 miles (or less) on a FULL charge with a used EV.

[Car-Addicted]

You think that is s win? The Nissan Leaf sucked when new so this is not a big surprise.

[M5Rick]

^ ? Spectacular fail would be more appropriate, reduced to a shopping car just to whistle it's way down the road to costco. Still, with the small battery little chance of igniting.. but I spoke too soon.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ni...D0bqemFuM,st:0
The advice is if you notice anything that is wrong with an EV is to not charge it, don't garage it and call 911 or 999 in GB.

[JimmyTheHand]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

^ Spectacular fail would be appropriate, reduced to a shopping car to go just down the road. Still with the small battery little chance of igniting.. but I spoke too soon.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ni...D0bqemFuM,st:0
The advice is if you notice anything that is wrong with an EV to not charge it, don't garage it and call 911 or 999 in GB.

Samsung had to withdraw and recall the Galaxy Note 7 because of the fire risk from the battery, people have been killed because of fires from recharging scooter/electric bikes. Dustcarts/Garbage Trucks have caught fire due to lithium batteries being thrown away and damaged.

You are still much more likely to be killed/injured in a car accident than an EV catching fire.

If you see any issue with a lithium battery then you should stop using it - that includes laptops with swelling batteries!

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by JimmyTheHand

Samsung had to withdraw and recall the Galaxy Note 7 because of the fire risk from the battery, people have been killed because of fires from recharging scooter/electric bikes. Dustcarts/Garbage Trucks have caught fire due to lithium batteries being thrown away and damaged.

You are still much more likely to be killed/injured in a car accident than an EV catching fire.

If you see any issue with a lithium battery then you should stop using it - that includes laptops with swelling batteries!

The difference there is that your driving prowess can decide if you are in an accident or not, something completely different. With an EV erupting on fire as I have said before, you won't know when, you won't know where it may happen and probably at a time you were least expecting it with the thought that if it did happen whilst being driven would the occupants be able to escape.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

The difference there is that your driving prowess can decide if you are in an accident or not, something completely different. With an EV erupting on fire as I have said before, you won't know when, you won't know where it may happen and probably at a time you were least expecting it with the thought that if it did happen whilst being driven would the occupants be able to escape.

It is really nice to know that the data shows a TEN-FOLD lower chance of an EV fire over an ICE fire. Whenever people ask me if they should worry about EV fires, I just tell them that there are a bunch of people on internet forums who will do that for them. Then they can just go about their lives in peace.

[JimmyTheHand]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

The difference there is that your driving prowess can decide if you are in an accident or not, something completely different. With an EV erupting on fire as I have said before, you won't know when, you won't know where it may happen and probably at a time you were least expecting it with the thought that if it did happen whilst being driven would the occupants be able to escape.

Last accident I was in was due to a deer running onto a motorway up an embankment just in front of my car during dark winter's evening, I was under the speed limit leaving plenty of gap - yes my reactions probably helped as I had just enough time to swerve and not hit it square on, but if it had been half a mile down the road I'd been checking to pull out into next lane.

The one before I was stationary at traffic lights and someone hit me from behind (that takes us back about 15 years)

Yes your driving skills and patience will reduce chance of accidents, but you can't avoid every thing and there are still morons driving.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by SteVTEC

In my area, tons and tons and tons and tons of cars are running around with body damage, often unrepaired. I just realized recently that I have NEVER seen a Tesla with body damage on the road ever. It seems they're just written off.

My friend has a Tesla Y and the passenger side door was scratched by an accident. The body shop told him they need to wait for about 7 months for the new door to come from Tesla in order to fix his car. If it was me, I will me so piss. 7 months of waiting for just a new door. This is totally BS.

[eugenebmw]

Please stop thinking EV are smart Woman who was stuck in her Tesla for 40 Minutes in 115 Degree heat shares surprising fact about car

http://www.unilad.com/technology/wom...45406-20240519

[eugenebmw]

Many US consumers staying away from EVs due to lack of charging availability

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/...ability-report

[eugenebmw]

Electric Car Charger Vandalism Continues To Surge Nationwide

https://insideevs.com/news/719834/te...es-vandalized/

My friend also told me the places he has been in Vancouver (Canada) for charging his Tesla, on average more than 60% of the charging stations were out of order. If the government really want to push EV, you better get the shit together....

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by JimmyTheHand

Last accident I was in was due to a deer running onto a motorway up an embankment just in front of my car during dark winter's evening, I was under the speed limit leaving plenty of gap - yes my reactions probably helped as I had just enough time to swerve and not hit it square on, but if it had been half a mile down the road I'd been checking to pull out into next lane.

The one before I was stationary at traffic lights and someone hit me from behind (that takes us back about 15 years)

Yes your driving skills and patience will reduce chance of accidents, but you can't avoid every thing and there are still morons driving.

That's the worst case scenario when a druggie, drunk or just a complete idiot hits you from behind that even an excellent driver has no control over.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

Electric Car Charger Vandalism Continues To Surge Nationwide

https://insideevs.com/news/719834/te...es-vandalized/

My friend also told me the places he has been in Vancouver (Canada) for charging his Tesla, on average more than 60% of the charging stations were out of order. If the government really want to push EV, you better get the shit together....

More and more people are showing they don't like this arm twisting deal from the bubment and their net zero course is a headlong drive into a concrete wall for the future generations of the working class.

[Car-Addicted]

Things that make you go Hmmmmm

Chevrolet Bolt owners win $150 million settlement after electric vehicles caught fire
May 17, 2024
General Motors and LG are establishing a $150 million fund to compensate Chevrolet Bolt owners after a faulty battery caused some of the electric vehicles to burst into flames.
GM partnered with subsidiaries of South Korea-based electronics company LG to create the batteries used in the Bolt, which debuted in 2015. In the following years, drivers noticed their cars would spontaneously catch fire, leading to owners to file complaints about the problem with GM and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.
GM sold just under 25,000 Bolts in the U.S. before telling dealers to stop selling them. The company ceased production of the vehicle in December of 2023, a major financial and reputational blow for GM as automakers raced to enter the electric vehicle market. The automaker has spent $1.8 billion recalling the Bolt because of its battery issues.
GM has said it plans to stop manufacturing gas-powered cars by 2035 and will spend $35 billion to roll out more than 30 new EVs globally by 2025, including about 20 in North America.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/chevrol...ttlement-fund/

When will stock holders fire Mary Barra? Just another DEI failure.