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I find it odd on the Article that BMWBlog just came out with that all future M Performance models will get quad exhaust tips. I know that the recent X3 M40i got the side mirrors from the X3M but if all M Performance models where to get the quad exhaust systems wouldn't it have made sense for the X3 M40i to get it first? Heck even the leaked G20 3 series doesn't have the quad exhaust tips on it. Unless someone in BMW is smoke screening what was reported to be the X1 M to avoid backlash even before the model has been revealed then for right now I don't believe that statement.
Also personally for me I like how the M Performance models just like mine had dual exhaust outlets rather then the quads from the M models. Quads should be a full fledge M and not an M performance version. What I could think of the reason as to why this one has quads is maybe BMW is making a M35i Competition variant with more HP and upgraded exhaust system compared to the M35i version but it just seem so odd. |
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09-14-2021, 01:44 PM | #112 |
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If it is a 'proper' M model I'd be interested to see what M do with it being a transverse FWD-based platform as I think this will be a first if I'm not mistaken.
Having driven an early FWD (a 2 series people carrier) model they do feel quite different to traditional RWD and it put me off ever going for a FWD model. Since then the 128ti has been getting glowing reviews. Whilst I understand the tradition, I don't quite understand the level of complaints about diversification of M, it's not as if the core M models (M2, 3, 5 or 8) are changing platform. We've probably got another 8-10 years of ICE and I doubt BMW will make the next M5 FWD for example… |
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On the other hand I also reckon that several AWD/front biased platforms (~60% of the weight upfront) score very well during the vehicle dynamics tests lately. I presume that's mainly because recently (much) more of the torque is fed earlier to the rear-axle (Golf R/A AMG/RS3) with smarter torque vectoring, whilst previous gens only could dispatch some torque to the rear when the front axles started to go berserk (cfr. haldex)? Last edited by KoenG; 09-14-2021 at 03:56 PM.. |
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09-14-2021, 07:46 PM | #114 |
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Scott is not an insider in any way shape or form. He pretends he is but he's been caught out in the past, and he's been caught out again. He's a fantasist. He's fooled people for a long time, but genuine insiders got sick of him trying to be something he's not.
This is not an X1M despite Scott claiming it is. There never was an X1M, so how he claims to be confirming it, and having "reached out" to someone, I don't know. What Scott does is he makes posts which appear to be revealing info, but in fact it's all just vague statements which are just stating the obvious. The problem in this case is that it was logical to think a quad exhaust X1 would be an X1M, so he was bold and pretended he knew all about it. Unfortunately for him, it isn't an X1M, but instead the first M Performance vehicle to feature quad exhausts. He got too ambitious and he's tripped up. It's a shame people have to pretend to be something they're not. |
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Personally think it is something that has no place bearing M but looking at what they are doing these days with M cars I am not surprised.
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09-15-2021, 06:02 AM | #119 |
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I am also enjoying the X1. Its by no means as fun and agile as my 1-series, but compared to other X models and my old E60, I don't find it worse in any way in terms of handling.
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Let me guess, you're all in favor of the X8M aren't you? The M division produces enough models for the badge chasing crowd. Clearly they agree since it seems the rumored photos are of an M performance model not X1M.
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09-15-2021, 10:44 AM | #126 |
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The biggest badge chasers are the people buying "real" M cars without actually driving them on track That's a 100% show off. Which is quite a big percentage of the M-owners to be fair.
Sticking to the topic - I don't see a point in the X1M, as I don't see a point in every M car, apart from M2, M3/4 and M8 maybe. M35i is more than enough. |
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09-15-2021, 10:51 AM | #127 |
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The first M car, the M1 was literally designed to win races and represent BMW in Motorsports. And the Original M3 (E30) was designed to beat Mercedes and their 190E in the DTM Championship, might wanna read up on your history. Just because things have changed now doesn't mean the past changed with it.
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People have what you perceive to be a "snobby" attitude to any M cars that don't have the classic M attributes such as RWD only, and manual gearboxes because of years of being told by BMW themselves that these aspects are what make a "proper" M car. It was a key point in their marketing. Now BMW are chasing every last Dollar/Euro/Pound, nothing is off the table if it helps shift a few extra units. Once the first X5 M was launched and we had a 4WD, auto gearbox, SUV, they lost all credibility.
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The only reason the stock M cars exist is due to Motorsport, and M's main goal was to win races and represent themselves in motorsport. Like I said, the originally M3 was literally made in order to beat Mercedes who was the king in DTM and setting records that BMW was jealous of. However in order to do that there are numerous regulations set in place. In order for the racing variants to be eligible for competition and have a chance at winning at all, a certain number of roadgoing (stock) vehicles are required to be produced and sold as available to the public based on the racing variant. The stock M cars were derived from the racing cars. For example, the BMW M1 fell under Group 4 homologation regulations, requiring a set of 400+ production models (based on the race car) to be built before the racing variant could compete. Straight from the source themselves: Quote:
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