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      06-04-2022, 01:46 AM   #67
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the X3 is a much larger vehicle. I highly doubt you can even fit a baby seat in the back of the new X1 and iX1.
You can in the X2.

I just ferried high school seniors back and forth from beach week, it has a long wheelbase due to the transverse layout.

So X1 is fine for baby seats.
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      06-04-2022, 02:10 AM   #68
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This third world market invented the EV basically, or at least brought it to the masses. Called Tesla, you have one I think, so you know.
Doesn't matter who invented it. Check the sales stats EU vs US.
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Good. Now cancel all other X and iX vehicles and only bring M cars in manual to the US
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I would be willing to bet it is 1 of 2 possibilities

1) the target US market MSRP did not align to the profile of a buyer interested in an x1 size and equipment level ev. They believe the US buyer would have demanded more luxury or size for the money...

2) production shortages, they do believe they could sell the vehicle here but in order to many support markets with limited production capacity they choose to forgo the US market and focus on others
#2 seems more likely because the X1 actually does numbers in the US (not the case with the X2 for some reason). But supply issues makes a lot of sense as the microprocessor issue is still ongoing.
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the X3 is a much larger vehicle. I highly doubt you can even fit a baby seat in the back of the new X1 and iX1.
You can in the X2.

I just ferried high school seniors back and forth from beach week, it has a long wheelbase due to the transverse layout.

So X1 is fine for baby seats.
I know for a fact the X1 is great for baby seats lol
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The car isn't expensive enough to offer as an EV for BMW in the US. This car would be a homerun and would sell out quickly. BMW is greedy and wants to sell a more expensive EV instead.
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If BMW wants to truly compete in the EV car segment they need to bring the entire iX line-up , i7 and i4 will definitely not do it. I cant think of one reason why anybody would get an i7 over a Tesla S, never mind Plaid.
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Ok… the car may not be coming to the US this year, but who…. who… WHO is hiring and writing checks to this creative team behind that…. commercial?? Bwaahahahahhahaaaaa! That was some college tech-class level of creative effort. Holy crap.
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the X3 is a much larger vehicle. I highly doubt you can even fit a baby seat in the back of the new X1 and iX1.
Actually, while the X1 and X3 are in different classes. The X3 is about 9-10 inches longer externally BUT interior space is very similar in both.
Because X3 is designed for a longitudinal mounted engine with space for an I6 and is rear wheel drive focused while X1 is designed for a transverse mount I4 engine and front wheel drive based. The length from the front of the car to the front of the passenger dept is longer in the X3, thus the overall length is longer while interior space is very similar (within an inch or so).

Compare the specs of the current X1 to X3. These are the BMWUSA published specs for the current gen X1 and X3 (the new U11 is a few inches longer).

Length: X1 175.5 X3 185.9
Width: X1 71.7 X3 74.4
Headroom: X1 41.9 X3 41.1
Legroom F/R: X1 40.4/37.0 X3 40.3/36.4
Shoulder Room F/R: X1 55.6/55.2 X3 57.6/56
Cargo Capacity: X1 27.1-58.7 X3 28.7-62.7

So as far as head room and leg room, X1 actually has more than X3. So if you can fit a child seat in X3, you can definitely fit one in X1.
We have used many different child seats in my wife's X3, and have had no problem fitting them in loaner X1's over the years.
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Doesn't matter who invented it. Check the sales stats EU vs US.
There are objective driving conditions in the US which are markedly different than in most of Europe. I could probably use an EV as daily in my part of the US, but it’s different in Ohio or Montana or Colorado.
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If this is true, BMW have literally shot themselves in the foot. That vehicle would sell so well in the US
I don't think you understand the meaning of the word "literally"
Can't tell if you're trying to be funny or not
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There are objective driving conditions in the US which are markedly different than in most of Europe. I could probably use an EV as daily in my part of the US, but it’s different in Ohio or Montana or Colorado.
It's different in Ohio or Montana or Colorado because very few people live there. Most Americans live in cities just like Europeans do. Moreover, the American suburban life, with most families keeping their cars in their private garages, should be an advantage for EV charging. Any homeowner can add a charging point for their car as they desire. In Europe, more people have to rely on public charging or their landlords.

And that's actually the key point: the "staid" European bureaucracies are building new infrastructure faster than the "nimble" American enterprises.
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Can't tell if you're trying to be funny or not
He's literally funny.
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EVs are a transitional platform. The US market is not responding to the inefficiency and PIA factor of EV.
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EVs are a transitional platform. The US market is not responding to the inefficiency and PIA factor of EV.
Transitional to what?
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Unless you own a Tesla the charging infrastructure in the US is pretty bad. I could see why car companies would be hesitant right now to bring more EVs. Bad for brand marketing if people start dumping them after 2 years.
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If BMW wants to truly compete in the EV car segment they need to bring the entire iX line-up , i7 and i4 will definitely not do it. I cant think of one reason why anybody would get an i7 over a Tesla S, never mind Plaid.
I would order i7 40 if they offered it at the same price as the 740. Tesla model S is not even on my radar. Nobody is buying that car in Norway anymore after the germans started to make premium EVs. Sales are rock bottom, only TM3 / Y is selling. S or X money is going to E Trons, taycan and EQS atm.
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If BMW wants to truly compete in the EV car segment they need to bring the entire iX line-up , i7 and i4 will definitely not do it. I cant think of one reason why anybody would get an i7 over a Tesla S, never mind Plaid.
I would order i7 40 if they offered it at the same price as the 740. Tesla model S is not even on my radar. Nobody is buying that car in Norway anymore after the germans started to make premium EVs. Sales are rock bottom, only TM3 / Y is selling. S or X money is going to E Trons, taycan and EQS atm.
Makes sense, I have yet to see an EQS on the road, that's not a dealer demo.
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I would order i7 40 if they offered it at the same price as the 740...
The ICE-EV pricing and functionality delta is a major sales challenge for any model that's offered in both variants. This is why I think it's smart for Ford to keep their EV models from sharing a showroom floor with their ICE offerings. It helps EVs to keep the comparison as distant as possible.
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Unless you own a Tesla the charging infrastructure in the US is pretty bad. I could see why car companies would be hesitant right now to bring more EVs. Bad for brand marketing if people start dumping them after 2 years.
There are quite a lot of chargers out there and available for public use. I would encourage you to look into that. The supercharger network is at least on paper better. It probably is in reality as well but you can go across the nation in an EV. It's not for lack of charging.
The real issues are stop frequency and charge times on freeway slogs. Stopping every 200-250 miles to charge for 30-40 minutes would suck. That happens in Tesla too though.
For an around town or within a few hundred miles of home an EV is pretty compelling now.
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This car is BMW's best chance at taking chunks from Model 3 and Model Y and they are choosing to not bring it over because…?
Because they are probably playing the long game. Why go all in on EV when they can still sell ICE and hybrids? While the demand in the US for EVs seems on fire, it is still nothing like in Europe.

Or, with the US being such a lawsuit-trigger place, they are waiting for the initial kinks to be ironed out before bringing it here.

Or, something something completely different
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The US iX1 has been canceled, literally days or weeks before the official model intro.
It was never coming to the US the first year…. Where have you been?
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