[e.n335]

Hi guys,

Thus the PROcede/V2 is my first piggyback I am interested in your feedback. Some of you may have owned other piggybacks before and have already more / broader experience than me.

Very interested in your votings.

Thanks,
Eugen

[Hegemony]

I voted for option 3.

[e.n335]

Originally Posted by Hegemony

I voted for option 3.

Yeah, it's there for clicking on it .

[Soni]

IMO, limp mode on a piggyback is not acceptable, it should be tested and solved before putting it out in the market.

[Mark313]

I voted for #2, the reason why I don't have a Procede.

[Ado]

I voted for #2 as well. However I am actually one of those who are probably in the majority who have never had any limp modes with their PROCede.

I had v1.47 for a while and switched to v2.0 about a month ago. Everything has been running smoothly.

Ado

[turbotko]

I voted for the 1st one. I am very aware that we are using an aftermarket product to greatly increase the performance above what it was initially designed to do. I've been modifying and also building cars from the ground up for many years now, and I fully understand anytime you modify a car you need to be ready to accept the compromises that come with the mods. For example:

You wouldn't complain that your 9 second drag car handles like crap in the twisties would you? Or how about the MS4 camshaft I put in my 00 trans-am that gained 65 rwhp.........I'm sure not complaining about the lumpy idle. I was aware of the compromises when I modified the cars and chose to do the mods anyway.

Having said that........I've never ever had a limp or C/E light with my Proceed V2.

[CarveOut]

What's not acceptable when considering to buy a $1500 tuning product:
- limp modes & CEL's
- that I have to buy V1 first and...
- ...having no installation instructions solely for V2
- no VMax maps/support
- customer support that doesn't answer emails
- websites that don't work (ie. V2 software download)
- becoming member of a beta testing community when buying it anyway
- that it makes me eager to respond to this request

[stillclaimndp]

As long as it gets worked out eventually i dont care about getting a limp mode... i have 0 issues so far with 2.02 and I drive a lot and I drive hard.

[judec]

dont really understand your goal, Eugen. Is this thread just a way to achieve your average amount of threads started per day? Anyway, I assume there is more reasons why answer #3 is for me.

Cheers

[e.n335]

Originally Posted by judec

dont really understand your goal, Eugen. Is this thread just a way to achieve your average amount of threads started per day? Anyway, I assume there is more reasons why answer #3 is for me.

Cheers

No, my goal is to see if my expectations are too high. I never had limp modes with previous BMW's and ECU flashes ( except one X5 3.0d ). I am looking whether I have the wrong tune. I don't care about my number of threads or postings.

[Terry335]

I think you'll be hard pressed to find someone who would accept frequent codes/limps. These aren't Mustangs and Camaros.

[CarveOut]

Originally Posted by judec

dont really understand your goal, Eugen. Is this thread just a way to achieve your average amount of threads started per day? Anyway, I assume there is more reasons why answer #3 is for me.

Cheers

You must be kidding... We have a great product here that unfortunatley has a lot of reliability issues. Now, ask yourself why is that?

[silvrevo]

Who are these People???????? Old Seinfeld episode.

But really who thinks having limp modes, and cels is somthing they cam over look,,,,, and more explain to thier passengers.

[e.n335]

Originally Posted by Terry335

I think you'll be hard pressed to find someone who would accept frequent codes/limps. These aren't Mustangs and Camaros.

Up to now nearly 20% accept it. Those members should be aware about that everything will be stored in the ECU. Even when you have a Code Reader.

[CarveOut]

Originally Posted by e.n335

No, my goal is to see if my expectations are too high. I never had limp modes with previous BMW's and ECU flashes ( except one X5 3.0d ). I am looking whether I have the wrong tune. I don't care about my number of threads or postings.

You must also be kidding here! One can expect a rock solid product for that money! Even given the complexity of ECU software releases and other stuff.

[scalbert]

Although I never had limp mode issues while driving, I would not be accepting of it. However, I will say that not all ECU code is without errors either. I got an occasional code and reduced power in my B5 S4 with GIAC programming.

[cn555ic]

Maybe the people that voted for 0 tolerance for limp mode should sell their Procede and get the Dinan reflash....But when the Dinan reflash gets a limp mode occasionally here and there then you can complain to Dinan or BMW...Always something to complain about....There is nothing that is 100% safe from these limp modes..People who are getting limp modes are getting on their cars, i mean realistically who the hell can really get there cars up to 4 or 5 gear with rpms of 5500 or greater as most of us use the car as a daily driver

[e.n335]

Originally Posted by CarveOut

You must also be kidding here! One can expect a rock solid product for that money! Even given the complexity of ECU software releases and other stuff.

You are used to this quality as I am. But look at the votings.

Well, I set my timeframe until March/April 2008. Then I want my engine finally tuned without any issues. If a piggyback is wrong for that, I'll go for a good ECU flash. This thread makes much more sense for me than I expected .

[Terry335]

Originally Posted by e.n335

Up to now nearly 20% accept it. Those members should be aware about that everything will be stored in the ECU. Even when you have a Code Reader.

What most people don't know is that a permanent record of your operating parameters are stored along with the limp. Among them is something called the long term fuel trim, which is a dead giveaway that the car has been modified. This is only really a concern if you're at wide open throttle at the time, but something to keep in mind. As far as I know only dealers can clear these codes.

[CarveOut]

Originally Posted by e.n335

You are used to this quality as I am. But look at the votings.

Well, I set my timeframe until March/April 2008. Then I want my engine finally tuned without any issues. If a piggyback is wrong for that, I'll go for a good ECU flash. This thread makes much more sense for me than I expected .

I also wish there was kind of a stable release - even with less performance - very soon, call it a "freeze". Based on that map Vishnu can do whatever they want but please, no more beta testing threads and no more announcements concerning further improvements that have not been tested thoroughly.

I am fully aware of how hard they are currently working to get V2 stable but this trouble is kind of home made.

[Kbueno]

Originally Posted by CarveOut

I also wish there was kind of a stable release - even with less performance - very soon, call it a "freeze". Based on that map Vishnu can do whatever they want but please, no more beta testing threads and no more announcements concerning further improvements that have not been tested thoroughly.

I am fully aware of how hard they are currently working to get V2 stable but this trouble is kind of home made.

Not sure I follow...I thinks it's a lot to ask for a tuner to test all programming and hardware variations of a model when they are not aware of it. That's where the customer base comes in as beta testers.

Also, I'm with Terry...nobody wants frequent cell/limps. So, who votes #1?