RB rattle help

Brule · 11-28-2014, 11:15 PM

Found rattle! Boost solenoids! even though i make 20psi and on target this was the cause I'm so stoked I can hear my intake and not the rattle.!!!!!!

I have had a rattle for 2 years. I bought RB's a year ago and still have the rattle. 1st and last video has the clearest audio of rattle

It occurs on light acceleration deceleration. mainly 1st and 2nd is noisy fluttering sound.

It does not seem to be the exhaust flap as its the same sound with and without it the flap open or closed on JB4, or with the plug in the boot connected or disconnected and its sounds like it coming from the front.

I dont think its the turbos or wastegates cause they are new done less then a 1000km on them.

I have had jb4 and now PTF and it still occurs.

Car still has full power

Today I have re checked the downpipes to make sure there is a gap between the two pipes and checked the turbo - downpipe is flange is tight.

Is there something else I can try?

Cloud9blue · 11-28-2014, 11:56 PM

wastegate rattle that I have on acceleration is mostly a raspy metallic sound from the loose inner disk flap, which is different from the typical loose actuator arm noise that only tend to show itself in deceleration or cold idle.

It sounds like you have something else entirely, try record the sound so we can get a better idea.

Brule · 11-29-2014, 04:09 PM

Brule · 11-29-2014, 04:11 PM

I'm a little bit over the sound especially after i did the install myself.

Ingeniator · 11-29-2014, 08:39 PM

All i hear is your signal light. I cant hear any rattle. You should here my XI right now in -25C

Brule · 11-29-2014, 09:33 PM

Sound is very clear in 1st and 3rd video

Ingeniator · 11-29-2014, 11:56 PM

I hear it now. Had to turn the computer up to hear it. Sounds like broken cat pieces to me. Only thing i've had sound close.

Brule · 12-01-2014, 02:27 AM

mmm. I would like to get a new exhaust but can't afford that yet.
Makes sense cause stock n RB's turbos dont make a difference and the heat shields are put in tight.

Exhaust flap doesn't change it.

I'll have to get outside the car with someone reving it to take a better listen

Opo · 12-01-2014, 05:12 PM

sounds like the clamp that holds your exhaust pipes right after your down pipes is lose. mine sounded exactly like that when I didn't tighten it up enough.

go hit the exhaust with a rubber mallet underneath the car and see where the rattle is coming from.

BoostinBiscayne · 12-02-2014, 12:54 PM

^^+1^^ Also, wait for the car to cool down and try and jiggle the wastegates with your hand as well.

proTUNING Freaks · 12-02-2014, 01:47 PM

Hi Brule,
We have a software based fix that we can include in your map that should help reduce rattle quite significantly on cars that suffer from this issue. Please email us at support@protuningfreaks.com and we can take a look at your PTF map and work with you to have it adjusted accordingly.

At times it can also be a punctured vacuum line in the vacuum path that goes to the vac tanks and from there down to the wastegate actuators but this would also typically indicate a boost leak and 30FF codes on the car.

ThatRWD · 12-02-2014, 03:23 PM

I've heard it can be vacuum lines, although not from any credible sources.

Nismo G · 12-02-2014, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ThatRWD

I've heard it can be vacuum lines, although not from any credible sources.

I think the post right above yours states what you said...and I think it's a reputable source

Brule · 12-03-2014, 05:52 AM

Ill check the exhaust clamp in the morning. Then i will look at vacume lines to make sure they are still in place as they are new and shouldn't leak. Currently getting a tune done by Jake. Just got a map tonight and its the same noise so ill show him the videos. Cheers for the ideas

Brule · 12-08-2014, 09:18 PM

Hoping this is the source sounds more like the rear cats then wastegates.

kiteboy · 12-10-2014, 05:06 PM

it seems rattle ....?? but i tought that with Rb turbos, never rattle ??

mee since i had my car more than 5 years i had already rattle also just on deceleration a little bit around 3200 rpm to 2900 rpm...but which are > in time....

2 years ago, some limp mode (code 3100 etc....) , and rattle more in deceleration....from 3500 rpm to 750 rpm horrible noise !!!!!.., we had replaced both oem turbos and it is the same also already a little rattle but a little bit around 3200 rpm to 2900 rpm , all vaccums line also are news and solenoids turbos also but nothing.

also with stock program OEM bmw (not tune) it is the same so it is a mistery ...???? and i decide to do a reason and keep this...????

i never find the root cause ? now car work properly no pb since 2 years , just this little rattle on deceleration...

Brule · 01-07-2015, 03:49 AM

Just found the source of my car rattling.

Spoke to Rob from RB's

He gave me a list of things to try and get rid of the rattle.
Only two of the items were not done yet so i bought them two weeks ago installed the first item.

Boost solenoids!

I was making good boost on target up to 20psi thats why i had never touched them.

Anyway my rattle is gone and I heard the intake for the first time!

kiteboy · 01-07-2015, 03:56 AM

i also replace boost solenoid by new part, and my little rattle around 3000 rpm on deceleartion is still present so ???????????

Brule · 01-07-2015, 04:16 AM

I have already tried for two years not sure what's up with yours, maybe get RBs

kiteboy · 01-07-2015, 04:51 AM

i read somewhere here on the forum that case of rattling with R&B turbos also so.......????

335i-boy · 01-07-2015, 06:36 AM

Good work Brule. Thanks for posting solution.

Brule · 01-08-2015, 01:54 AM

It was my solution but not everyone's.

11-28-2014, 11:15 PM	#1
Brule Brigadier General 830 Rep 3,189 Posts Drives: 2007 335i e92 6spd man Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Darwin iTrader: (0)	RB rattle help Found rattle! Boost solenoids! even though i make 20psi and on target this was the cause I'm so stoked I can hear my intake and not the rattle.!!!!!! I have had a rattle for 2 years. I bought RB's a year ago and still have the rattle. 1st and last video has the clearest audio of rattle It occurs on light acceleration deceleration. mainly 1st and 2nd is noisy fluttering sound. It does not seem to be the exhaust flap as its the same sound with and without it the flap open or closed on JB4, or with the plug in the boot connected or disconnected and its sounds like it coming from the front. I dont think its the turbos or wastegates cause they are new done less then a 1000km on them. I have had jb4 and now PTF and it still occurs. Car still has full power Today I have re checked the downpipes to make sure there is a gap between the two pipes and checked the turbo - downpipe is flange is tight. Is there something else I can try? Last edited by Brule; 01-07-2015 at 03:52 AM.. Reason: added which video was best
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11-28-2014, 11:56 PM	#2
Cloud9blue Brigadier General 714 Rep 3,251 Posts Drives: around the potholes Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: NY/NJ/MA iTrader: (13)	wastegate rattle that I have on acceleration is mostly a raspy metallic sound from the loose inner disk flap, which is different from the typical loose actuator arm noise that only tend to show itself in deceleration or cold idle. It sounds like you have something else entirely, try record the sound so we can get a better idea. __________________ 09 BMW E92 335i: Top Mount EFR 7670 / Dinan / AP Racing / Wavetrac / TC Kline [Full Mod List] 07 BMW R1200S: Shine Yellow / Akrapovic / Ohlins 19 Volvo V90 T6: R-Design / Bowers & Wilkins / Polestar Optimization
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11-29-2014, 04:09 PM	#3
Brule Brigadier General 830 Rep 3,189 Posts Drives: 2007 335i e92 6spd man Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Darwin iTrader: (0)
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11-29-2014, 04:11 PM	#4
Brule Brigadier General 830 Rep 3,189 Posts Drives: 2007 335i e92 6spd man Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Darwin iTrader: (0)	I'm a little bit over the sound especially after i did the install myself.
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11-29-2014, 08:39 PM	#5
Ingeniator Major 34 Rep 1,093 Posts Drives: 07 335XI(90) 09 135I(82) Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Fort Mac, Alberta iTrader: (1)	All i hear is your signal light. I cant hear any rattle. You should here my XI right now in -25C __________________ 07 335XI (A008006) 6AT ~94K miles JB4 G5 ISO VSRF DP's 09 135I M (VK80379) 6MT. Race Project car. 1) Install Cobb/piggyback? and Motiv 600 Kit[HTA3076R w/ tial .82] 2) JRZ or Moton suspension. 3) Build high flow intake manifold with multi-port fuel and relocate OFH 4) Build full cage 5) Complete staged twin setup with HTA4205R [w/Tial 1.16] 6) Complete dry sump system
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11-29-2014, 09:33 PM	#6
Brule Brigadier General 830 Rep 3,189 Posts Drives: 2007 335i e92 6spd man Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Darwin iTrader: (0)	Sound is very clear in 1st and 3rd video
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11-29-2014, 11:56 PM	#7
Ingeniator Major 34 Rep 1,093 Posts Drives: 07 335XI(90) 09 135I(82) Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Fort Mac, Alberta iTrader: (1)	I hear it now. Had to turn the computer up to hear it. Sounds like broken cat pieces to me. Only thing i've had sound close. __________________ 07 335XI (A008006) 6AT ~94K miles JB4 G5 ISO VSRF DP's 09 135I M (VK80379) 6MT. Race Project car. 1) Install Cobb/piggyback? and Motiv 600 Kit[HTA3076R w/ tial .82] 2) JRZ or Moton suspension. 3) Build high flow intake manifold with multi-port fuel and relocate OFH 4) Build full cage 5) Complete staged twin setup with HTA4205R [w/Tial 1.16] 6) Complete dry sump system
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12-01-2014, 02:27 AM	#8
Brule Brigadier General 830 Rep 3,189 Posts Drives: 2007 335i e92 6spd man Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Darwin iTrader: (0)	mmm. I would like to get a new exhaust but can't afford that yet. Makes sense cause stock n RB's turbos dont make a difference and the heat shields are put in tight. Exhaust flap doesn't change it. I'll have to get outside the car with someone reving it to take a better listen
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12-01-2014, 05:12 PM	#9
Opo Second Lieutenant 30 Rep 209 Posts Drives: 07 335i E92 6MT (12/06 build) Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Canada iTrader: (0)	sounds like the clamp that holds your exhaust pipes right after your down pipes is lose. mine sounded exactly like that when I didn't tighten it up enough. go hit the exhaust with a rubber mallet underneath the car and see where the rattle is coming from.
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12-02-2014, 12:54 PM	#10
BoostinBiscayne New Member 0 Rep 8 Posts Drives: 2008 e93 Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Biscayne Country iTrader: (0)	^^+1^^ Also, wait for the car to cool down and try and jiggle the wastegates with your hand as well.
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12-02-2014, 01:47 PM	#11
proTUNING Freaks 4516 Rep 1,862 Posts Drives: powered by bootmod3 Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: www.protuningfreaks.com \| www.bootmod3.com iTrader: (0)	Hi Brule, We have a software based fix that we can include in your map that should help reduce rattle quite significantly on cars that suffer from this issue. Please email us at support@protuningfreaks.com and we can take a look at your PTF map and work with you to have it adjusted accordingly. At times it can also be a punctured vacuum line in the vacuum path that goes to the vac tanks and from there down to the wastegate actuators but this would also typically indicate a boost leak and 30FF codes on the car. __________________ YouTube Channel [NEW] \| Facebook User Group (20,000+ members) \| Tech Support Website \| Wiki \| FAQ \| iOS App \| Android App \| bootmod3 Web Sales Support Email: sales@protuningfreaks.com \| Tech Support Email: support@protuningfreaks.com
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12-02-2014, 03:23 PM	#12
ThatRWD Major 109 Rep 1,062 Posts Drives: 335i Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Northern VA iTrader: (0)	I've heard it can be vacuum lines, although not from any credible sources.
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12-03-2014, 05:52 AM	#14
Brule Brigadier General 830 Rep 3,189 Posts Drives: 2007 335i e92 6spd man Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Darwin iTrader: (0)	Ill check the exhaust clamp in the morning. Then i will look at vacume lines to make sure they are still in place as they are new and shouldn't leak. Currently getting a tune done by Jake. Just got a map tonight and its the same noise so ill show him the videos. Cheers for the ideas
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12-08-2014, 09:18 PM	#15
Brule Brigadier General 830 Rep 3,189 Posts Drives: 2007 335i e92 6spd man Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Darwin iTrader: (0)	Hoping this is the source sounds more like the rear cats then wastegates.
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12-10-2014, 05:06 PM	#16
kiteboy Lieutenant 12 Rep 420 Posts Drives: E92 Stage 2 BR Performance Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: France iTrader: (0)	it seems rattle ....?? but i tought that with Rb turbos, never rattle ?? mee since i had my car more than 5 years i had already rattle also just on deceleration a little bit around 3200 rpm to 2900 rpm...but which are > in time.... 2 years ago, some limp mode (code 3100 etc....) , and rattle more in deceleration....from 3500 rpm to 750 rpm horrible noise !!!!!.., we had replaced both oem turbos and it is the same also already a little rattle but a little bit around 3200 rpm to 2900 rpm , all vaccums line also are news and solenoids turbos also but nothing. also with stock program OEM bmw (not tune) it is the same so it is a mistery ...???? and i decide to do a reason and keep this...???? i never find the root cause ? now car work properly no pb since 2 years , just this little rattle on deceleration... __________________ 335i Pack M Stage 2 BR Performance 403,5 hp 582n.m/Bilstein B14 pss/R&B PVC2 valve/K&N air filter/Spearco FMIC/pre cata empty/EBC Redstuff,aviation hose, BMW Performance exhaust, Charge pipe Evolution Racewerks, Forge DVs Last edited by kiteboy; 12-10-2014 at 05:29 PM..
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01-07-2015, 03:49 AM	#17
Brule Brigadier General 830 Rep 3,189 Posts Drives: 2007 335i e92 6spd man Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Darwin iTrader: (0)	Just found the source of my car rattling. Spoke to Rob from RB's He gave me a list of things to try and get rid of the rattle. Only two of the items were not done yet so i bought them two weeks ago installed the first item. Boost solenoids! I was making good boost on target up to 20psi thats why i had never touched them. Anyway my rattle is gone and I heard the intake for the first time!
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01-07-2015, 03:56 AM	#18
kiteboy Lieutenant 12 Rep 420 Posts Drives: E92 Stage 2 BR Performance Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: France iTrader: (0)	i also replace boost solenoid by new part, and my little rattle around 3000 rpm on deceleartion is still present so ??????????? __________________ 335i Pack M Stage 2 BR Performance 403,5 hp 582n.m/Bilstein B14 pss/R&B PVC2 valve/K&N air filter/Spearco FMIC/pre cata empty/EBC Redstuff,aviation hose, BMW Performance exhaust, Charge pipe Evolution Racewerks, Forge DVs
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01-07-2015, 04:16 AM	#19
Brule Brigadier General 830 Rep 3,189 Posts Drives: 2007 335i e92 6spd man Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Darwin iTrader: (0)	I have already tried for two years not sure what's up with yours, maybe get RBs
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01-07-2015, 04:51 AM	#20
kiteboy Lieutenant 12 Rep 420 Posts Drives: E92 Stage 2 BR Performance Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: France iTrader: (0)	i read somewhere here on the forum that case of rattling with R&B turbos also so.......???? __________________ 335i Pack M Stage 2 BR Performance 403,5 hp 582n.m/Bilstein B14 pss/R&B PVC2 valve/K&N air filter/Spearco FMIC/pre cata empty/EBC Redstuff,aviation hose, BMW Performance exhaust, Charge pipe Evolution Racewerks, Forge DVs
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01-07-2015, 06:36 AM	#21
335i-boy Lieutenant 15 Rep 457 Posts Drives: E92 335i M-Sport Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Australia iTrader: (0)	Good work Brule. Thanks for posting solution. __________________ 2008 E92 335i M-Sport \| Sapphire Black \| Sunroof \| Creme Beige \| Poplar Grey \| Logic 7 \| 6AT \| 19" AG M359's \| Michelin PS4S \| LUX V3 \| MHD V5 E40 \| Steve AZ Walbro inline \| Vishnu DCI \| BMS CP \| AR Design Catless DP's \| Forge DV's \| Helix IC \| (Stock Cat. back) \|
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01-08-2015, 01:54 AM	#22
Brule Brigadier General 830 Rep 3,189 Posts Drives: 2007 335i e92 6spd man Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Darwin iTrader: (0)	It was my solution but not everyone's.
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