Remember that boring, slow Honda CR-Z that roughly 6 people bought?

fecurtis · 03-12-2015, 12:08 PM

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...eted-as-civic/

Honda is finally giving the people what they want.

cenix · 03-12-2015, 02:04 PM

Yes, please put that 2.0l direct injected turbo from the CTR into the CRZ. This would be a fun car to drive.

Didn't one of Honda's top guys get fired recently? Good news I guess.

fecurtis · 03-12-2015, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cenix

Yes, please put that 2.0l direct injected turbo from the CTR into the CRZ. This would be a fun car to drive.

Didn't one of Honda's top guys get fired recently? Good news I guess.

Yeah their CEO stepped down in wake of their recall issues.

ShocknAwe · 03-12-2015, 06:14 PM

280 bhp in that tiny car, and turbocharged too? Its gonna be a hoot.

KingOfJericho · 03-13-2015, 07:53 AM

280hp but FWD?

Red Bread · 03-13-2015, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

280hp but FWD?

Not exactly ideal. A friend has a MazdaSpeed 3 with similar power and it's stupid to try to drive it hard around town. Apparently the Mk7 GTI is making around 260 hp yet it doesn't feel that bad, and I've only driven the one without an LSD. It can be done, but the Golf R and Focus RS sure make more sense if you don't mind spending the money.

KingOfJericho · 03-13-2015, 10:05 AM

I'm pretty sure the GTI makes 210hp (220hp with option power pack). Mine made 200hp and was still tricky when the power rolled on. My current CC is tuned to about 270hp but I honestly haven't even tried to goose it. I just like the power for merging onto the highway.

happos2 · 03-13-2015, 10:17 AM

OT: MK7 GTI does make 210 (220 PP)...the 260 number like likely quoting the torque. Those are crank numbers, not sure if people are dynoing higher or not.

The CRZ would definitely be a hoot - Glad to see Honda moving in a better direction with the Type R and this CRZ now. Personally ot a fan of FWD but doesn't mean other people will not enjoy them! Thanks for sharing.

ShocknAwe · 03-13-2015, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

280hp but FWD?

I didn't see any mention of FWD, maybe I missed it in the article?

I was hoping they would stick their SH-AWD in there. It would be awesome if they would make it a RWD hot hatch, but it's Honda. Have they even had a RWD car since they killed the S2000?

Arsonism · 03-13-2015, 10:48 AM

I wouldn't get your hopes up for either (RWD or AWD) Seems like this one will be another integration of FWD based on the old model as well as their track record with power trains ( as ShocknAwe pointed out). I'd hope for an AWD just because there aren't enough AWD hatches out there, however these seems to be their competitor to Fords several FWD hatches (ST/Fiesta/etc). At least that's where I see it going.

Red Bread · 03-13-2015, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

I'm pretty sure the GTI makes 210hp (220hp with option power pack). Mine made 200hp and was still tricky when the power rolled on. My current CC is tuned to about 270hp but I honestly haven't even tried to goose it. I just like the power for merging onto the highway.

Yes, quoting what dynos are showing. Mk7's are putting down 210-220 whp without the Performance Pack.

And having driven the Mk6 and Mk7, they addressed torque steer very well on the newer car.

HOUSE Motorsports · 03-13-2015, 08:18 PM

Interesting - the CRZ was a neat car...just didn't do the hybrid thing all that well.

Teutonic · 03-15-2015, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShocknAwe

I didn't see any mention of FWD, maybe I missed it in the article?

I was hoping they would stick their SH-AWD in there. It would be awesome if they would make it a RWD hot hatch, but it's Honda. Have they even had a RWD car since they killed the S2000?

Their AWD is really poor.

ShocknAwe · 03-15-2015, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tracus

Their AWD is really poor.

FWD without an active diff is worse.

ptack · 03-16-2015, 09:49 AM

I'm not sure if it would pathetic, ironic or what, but I can imagine my son getting this as his first car just like the CRX-si was my first car. It's only taken Honda 30 years to replace it.

cenix · 03-16-2015, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ptack

I'm not sure if it would pathetic, ironic or what, but I can imagine my son getting this as his first car just like the CRX-si was my first car. It's only taken Honda 30 years to replace it.

The CRX Si was many a youngster dream car back in the day. You're lucky to have gotten that at the time. Honda coming around is too little and too late right now though I feel.

ShocknAwe · 03-16-2015, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cenix

The CRX Si was many a youngster dream car back in the day. You're lucky to have gotten that at the time. Honda coming around is too little and too late right now though I feel.

Big void being left by BMW in the small light sports car. Honda is coming back around JUST at the right time.

ptack · 03-16-2015, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShocknAwe

Big void being left by BMW in the small light sports car. Honda is coming back around JUST at the right time.

No, as others have said there are a host of comparable hot hatches out there. Honda's a decade or 2 late and maybe a dollar short. BMW has never wanted to compete with Honda, that's what Mini is for.

ShocknAwe · 03-16-2015, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ptack

No, as others have said there are a host of comparable hot hatches out there. Honda's a decade or 2 late and maybe a dollar short.

What else is out there? I can think of the Fiesta ST, Fiat Abarth, GTI? That's pretty much it. Nothing else worth mentioning in the same class is available stateside. All the Coopers are too big now.

You're acting like it's a full bullpen.

It doesn't take a decade or 2 to build a good car in this climate. There are plenty of brain-trust engineers out there with something to prove, and if Honda is willing to put up the money for them to do it, all the better.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ptack

BMW has never wanted to compete with Honda, that's what Mini is for.

Who EVER said BMW wanted to compete with Honda?

Teutonic · 03-16-2015, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShocknAwe

FWD without an active diff is worse.

obviously....

03-12-2015, 12:08 PM	#1
fecurtis Banned 3273 Rep 6,299 Posts Drives: 2014 BMW 335i M-Sport Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Arlington, VA iTrader: (0)	Remember that boring, slow Honda CR-Z that roughly 6 people bought? http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...eted-as-civic/ Honda is finally giving the people what they want.
	Appreciate 0 Tweet Quote

03-12-2015, 02:04 PM	#2
cenix Captain 383 Rep 875 Posts Drives: E90 M3 ZCP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: SoCal iTrader: (5)	Yes, please put that 2.0l direct injected turbo from the CTR into the CRZ. This would be a fun car to drive. Didn't one of Honda's top guys get fired recently? Good news I guess.
	Appreciate 0 Quote

03-12-2015, 06:14 PM	#4
ShocknAwe 1Addict 3685 Rep 8,200 Posts Drives: E82 1er, M57 X5, 964 C4 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Charleston iTrader: (22)	280 bhp in that tiny car, and turbocharged too? Its gonna be a hoot. __________________ 2010 E82 1 Series M Clone Hydra Performance augmented OEM+
	Appreciate 0 Quote

03-13-2015, 07:53 AM	#5
KingOfJericho Major General 2458 Rep 7,341 Posts Drives: Yes Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CT iTrader: (1) Garage List 2010 135i Coupe [5.26]	280hp but FWD? __________________ The views and opinions expressed in this post are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of Bimmerpost. 2018 Jeep Grand Cherokee High Altitude Hemi \| 2010 S4 Sold \| 2010 BMW 135i Retired \| 2006 Lotus Exige Sold
	Appreciate 0 Quote

03-13-2015, 10:05 AM	#7
KingOfJericho Major General 2458 Rep 7,341 Posts Drives: Yes Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CT iTrader: (1) Garage List 2010 135i Coupe [5.26]	I'm pretty sure the GTI makes 210hp (220hp with option power pack). Mine made 200hp and was still tricky when the power rolled on. My current CC is tuned to about 270hp but I honestly haven't even tried to goose it. I just like the power for merging onto the highway. __________________ The views and opinions expressed in this post are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of Bimmerpost. 2018 Jeep Grand Cherokee High Altitude Hemi \| 2010 S4 Sold \| 2010 BMW 135i Retired \| 2006 Lotus Exige Sold
	Appreciate 0 Quote

03-13-2015, 10:17 AM	#8
happos2 Dingleberries 76 Rep 1,246 Posts Drives: Gray E92 M3 Join Date: May 2012 Location: Indiana iTrader: (3)	OT: MK7 GTI does make 210 (220 PP)...the 260 number like likely quoting the torque. Those are crank numbers, not sure if people are dynoing higher or not. The CRZ would definitely be a hoot - Glad to see Honda moving in a better direction with the Type R and this CRZ now. Personally ot a fan of FWD but doesn't mean other people will not enjoy them! Thanks for sharing.
	Appreciate 0 Quote

03-13-2015, 10:48 AM	#10
Arsonism Captain 161 Rep 747 Posts Drives: '08 M Coupe Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Austin, TX iTrader: (3)	I wouldn't get your hopes up for either (RWD or AWD) Seems like this one will be another integration of FWD based on the old model as well as their track record with power trains ( as ShocknAwe pointed out). I'd hope for an AWD just because there aren't enough AWD hatches out there, however these seems to be their competitor to Fords several FWD hatches (ST/Fiesta/etc). At least that's where I see it going.
	Appreciate 0 Quote

03-13-2015, 08:18 PM	#12
HOUSE Motorsports 46 Rep 191 Posts Drives: ///M Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Pasadena, CA iTrader: (0)	Interesting - the CRZ was a neat car...just didn't do the hybrid thing all that well.
	Appreciate 0 Quote

03-16-2015, 09:49 AM	#15
ptack Brigadier General 307 Rep 4,483 Posts Drives: 135i Join Date: May 2008 Location: NJ iTrader: (0) Garage List 2008 135i [6.50]	I'm not sure if it would pathetic, ironic or what, but I can imagine my son getting this as his first car just like the CRX-si was my first car. It's only taken Honda 30 years to replace it. __________________ 135i, SGM, Coral, Sport Package, Auto, Premium Hifi, USB/ipod, Apex EC-7s, PPK Stage II
	Appreciate 0 Quote