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228i track pack for HPDEs?
searching around I have seen mostly m235i with LSD being used for track duty. I've also seen people praising the weight/balance of the 228i for "driving" but I haven't seen many reports of people actually using a 228i with track package for HPDEs or open track time.
GSR has a full on track build but I'm wanting to do a 228i with MSport, track pack, manual transmission, aftermarket track pads and fluid and be good for a couple track days/year ... what do you guys think? I'm not a pro but I usually run in intermediate/advanced-intermediate run groups so I need the car to be somewhat robust as far as braking/cooling go. I can live with sub-par "racecar feel/performance" but am looking for a fun car around $40k... was looking at Focus ST, Golf R stuff, started thinking I'd liked to stick with BMW so looked at an M235i .. with LSD already approaching $50k... lower is better and if the 228i would be a fun/capable car maybe I should just stick with that? thanks for your feedback! Matt
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The 228i will be a perfectly fun car for track duties. With that, you do not want to be on the track without an LSD. It is an annoying thing to be without such a tool.
As for the other vehicles you mentioned, the focus ST is a fun car, but the Golf R is limited at the track as it does not have a traction control that can be completely defeated. It will step in every chance it gets and drive you crazy. No lift throttle oversteer or trail braking to bring the rear around as would be possible with the focus ST. Take the 228i with LSD and beat on it. Won't be disappointed. |
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I'll be test driving the 2er this weekend and I'll see how it goes. golf R is so few and far between which makes me think it would be harder to get support for track/aftermarket goodies compared to the 228i. it appears that the track pack 228i gives the same suspension and brakes as the m235i has... are they really the same? and are there details I'm overlooking that would make the price premium on be m235i really worth it. 228i + MSport + track pack + LSD installed is probably still $5k less than the M235i with LSD... the extra ponies aren't really worth it to me ... my next car will be back into the M3+ territory so I just want something fun & capable for a while. thanks again!
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The brakes are the same though (and very, very good). |
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seems like bang for the buck is high with the 228i track pack but looking at the "track role call" it's flooded with m235i guys ..
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time to a bit.
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Only thing that is bothering me about the choices is the possible change in the adaptive suspension setup, as I believe they moved the adaptive suspension plug is now on the top of the suspension opposed to the side, which doesn't allow for camber plates. Aside from all that, I only see positives to the 2015 model with these packages. I plan on throwing some H&R springs, a carbon fiber front splitter, a rear splitter with duel exhaust and a muffler delete, a JB4 tune, Injen Intake and some spacers. Aside from that, further down the line, maybe some aftermarket active suspension coil overs from KW, a catted downpipe, some rims, LSD, and maybe few other small things here and there to call it a day. Probably not in that order, but I think it it would be a sweet car to mod it as time goes on. Last edited by Dattebayo; 05-16-2015 at 02:39 PM.. |
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did u get 6MT or 8AT and what do you think of it so far?
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Sorry, yes it is with the track package. It was originally at $37,700 without the Xenon Lights and adaptive lighting, but I really wanted the signature angel eyes. I got it in 6MT because I really wanted to get a MT before all the car companies phase them out. The price is out the door.
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The m235i as you have noted delivers the power effortlessly but also has a very refined suspension feel and "just the right size". I ordered mine as bare as i dare but had to compromise with the wife (since it's her car); sensatec, sunrooof delete, LSD, electronic steering wheel and heated seats. |
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Yes, but there is NO electronic differential.... it is done by the brakes of the car, so there is always the possibility of them being overworked especially in a tight track... I have NEVER seen it in real life though so it might be an unnecessary worry. I have seen them run pretty much ALL DAY with the only break being to stage again on a test & tune autocross using a full roadcourse and the GTI did not skip a beat nor did I observe/smell any overheated brakes.
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The m235i can be purchased (i ordered my car with one) with an optional Limited Slip Differential (mechanical) and quite a few people even have more specialized differentials that they install which is useful for frequently tracked/auto-X/winter/etc activities. I hope that helped a little |
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so can you turn this brake intervention off, I wonder? I am far from a track rat but do enjoy the occasional track day with the intermediate or advanced run groups (depending on track familiarity, organization etc). I do like the added space in the hatches (GTI/focus st, my current m3) over the 2ers, but the 2 has more street cred appeal to me and the RWD is quite nice. that being said, I could definitely hobble along a few years in a FWD car and pick up a RWD car again someday..
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