Why did BMW do nothing for small overlap crash test?!

PhoenixBimmer · 11-23-2015, 09:08 PM

http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/veh...s-4-door-sedan

3 series did "Marginal" in small overlap crash test. They did not do anything even for 2016 model while all other brands have done straightening its structure. Now 3 series/M3/M4 is not safe for other cars(like Accord, Sonata).

I was disappointed when they did nothing for 5 series either. MB E class done!
http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/veh...s-4-door-sedan

such a disappointment! hmm.. M3/M4 would be different?

Never Convicted · 11-23-2015, 09:43 PM

Teach them a lesson. Buy an Accord or Sonata.

Brosef · 11-23-2015, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Never Convicted

Teach them a lesson. Buy an Accord or Sonata.

Exactly

Lups · 11-23-2015, 10:12 PM

What am I supposed to hate here? To my inexperienced eyes the front went to shit but the space where I and my kids are seems unaffected?

Don't crash, it helps with safety.

s0ul · 11-23-2015, 10:14 PM

Lups is right. Why would you crash into a wall?

gblansten · 11-23-2015, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Lups

What am I supposed to hate here? To my inexperienced eyes the front went to shit but the space where I and my kids are seems unaffected?

Don't crash, it helps with safety.

I'm guessing there was footwell intrusion with leg fractures.

Lups · 11-23-2015, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by s0ul

Lups is right. Why would you crash into a wall?

Nobody ever says that. I shall add you to my signature.

No but seriously, the front went to shit, but quickly I couldn't figure out why that is a bad thing?

PhoenixBimmer · 11-23-2015, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by s0ul

Lups is right. Why would you crash into a wall?

I'm not trying to be negative on BMW but an accident is possible at any moment. This is a simulation test for a possible situation on roads.

IIHS said, "Intrusion into the lower occupant compartment was extensive as the left front wheel was forced rearward and inward during the crash. Risk of injuries to both lower legs and the left foot was significant, and the dummy's right foot was trapped.

The dummy's position in relation to the footwell after the crash test indicates that the driver's survival space wasn't maintained well. This reduction in space was caused by intrusion of the left front wheel."

Lups · 11-23-2015, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by gblansten

I'm guessing there was footwell intrusion with leg fractures.

K, my links download slowly, I didn't see that. To my eyes the cabin seems to hold up very well.

But again, don't crash is the safest way!

s0ul · 11-23-2015, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Lups

K, my links download slowly, I didn't see that. To my eyes the cabin seems to hold up very well.

But again, don't crash is the safest way!

but the problem is, other people crashing into you

Especially the ones you cannot avoid.

Arcades · 11-23-2015, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BimmerDallas

I'm not trying to be negative on BMW but an accident is possible at any moment. This is a simulation test for a possible situation on roads.

IIHS said, "Intrusion into the lower occupant compartment was extensive as the left front wheel was forced rearward and inward during the crash. Risk of injuries to both lower legs and the left foot was significant, and the dummy's right foot was trapped.

The dummy's position in relation to the footwell after the crash test indicates that the driver's survival space wasn't maintained well. This reduction in space was caused by intrusion of the left front wheel."

You realize the structure for a F8x is different from a standard F3x right?

Not to mention, why would you crash on purpose? It might be unavoidable at times but comon. Real life applications for this is unrealistic unless someone is insanely stupid or something catastrophic happens. There are multiple threads on a F8x crashing and the driver came out perfectly fine.

gblansten · 11-23-2015, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Arcades

You realize the structure for a F8x is different from a standard F3x right?

Not to mention, why would you crash on purpose? It might be unavoidable at times but comon. Real life applications for this is unrealistic unless someone is insanely stupid or something catastrophic happens. There are multiple threads on a F8x crashing and the driver came out perfectly fine.

A typical real world scenario here would be a crash with a pole or tree.

PhoenixBimmer · 11-23-2015, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Arcades

You realize the structure for a F8x is different from a standard F3x right?

Not to mention, why would you crash on purpose? It might be unavoidable at times but comon. Real life applications for this is unrealistic unless someone is insanely stupid or something catastrophic happens. There are multiple threads on a F8x crashing and the driver came out perfectly fine.

Yes, I know of the difference between 3 series and M3/4 structurally.
No one wants to crash to anything on purpose but that happens which is called an accident. This type of accidents happens WHEN you try to avoid an accident then you could hit a tree or a utility pole or hit another vehicle overlapping 25 % of the front side of the car.

I want to believe in M3/M4 is a safe car but what I'm trying to say is that it did not perform well in a standardized test and it disappoints me.

http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/veh...s-2-door-coupe ; 2 series could be their example to 3 series in small overlap crash test.

Lups · 11-23-2015, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by s0ul

but the problem is, other people crashing into you

Especially the ones you cannot avoid.

Easy. Don't live in WA.

s0ul · 11-23-2015, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Lups

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Originally Posted by s0ul

but the problem is, other people crashing into you

Especially the ones you cannot avoid.

Easy. Don't live in WA.

I used to. I miss Seattle tho

SakhirM4 · 11-23-2015, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BimmerDallas

Yes, I know of the difference between 3 series and M3/4 structurally.
No one wants to crash to anything on purpose but that happens which is called an accident. This type of accidents happens WHEN you try to avoid an accident then you could hit a tree or a utility pole or hit another vehicle overlapping 25 % of the front side of the car.

I want to believe in M3/M4 is a safe car but what I'm trying to say is that it did not perform well in a standardized test and it disappoints me.

http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/veh...s-2-door-coupe ; 2 series could be their example to 3 series in small overlap crash test.

Show me the M3/M4 test where it did not perform well.

Arcades · 11-23-2015, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BimmerDallas

Yes, I know of the difference between 3 series and M3/4 structurally.
No one wants to crash to anything on purpose but that happens which is called an accident. This type of accidents happens WHEN you try to avoid an accident then you could hit a tree or a utility pole or hit another vehicle overlapping 25 % of the front side of the car.

I want to believe in M3/M4 is a safe car but what I'm trying to say is that it did not perform well in a standardized test and it disappoints me.

http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/veh...s-2-door-coupe ; 2 series could be their example to 3 series in small overlap crash test.

This is a F30 crash test, not a F8x crash test.

Your comparisons don't add up. A f3x crashing doesn't translate into a F8x crashing. It won't come out the same.

I still don't get your point.

mgcyr · 11-23-2015, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Arcades

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Originally Posted by BimmerDallas

Yes, I know of the difference between 3 series and M3/4 structurally.
No one wants to crash to anything on purpose but that happens which is called an accident. This type of accidents happens WHEN you try to avoid an accident then you could hit a tree or a utility pole or hit another vehicle overlapping 25 % of the front side of the car.

I want to believe in M3/M4 is a safe car but what I'm trying to say is that it did not perform well in a standardized test and it disappoints me.

http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/veh...s-2-door-coupe ; 2 series could be their example to 3 series in small overlap crash test.

This is a F30 crash test, not a F8x crash test.

Your comparisons don't add up. A f3x crashing doesn't translate into a F8x crashing. It won't come out the same.

I still don't get your point.

Why would the results be significantly different in an F8x vs an F3x?

I find the results a bit disturbing actually.

Arcades · 11-23-2015, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by mgcyr

Why would the results be significantly different in an F8x vs an F3x?

I find the results a bit disturbing actually.

Again, the real life applications of this is unrealistic.

How often do you hear on the news of a car slamming head long into a wall?

The F8x may look like their F3x counter parts but structurally they are made utterly different. A car is suppose to protect your life if the unthinkable happens. No car will really survive a head long crash into anything. Unless you are driving a military Hummer or a Tank.

You may be injured, but if you survive a catastrophic hit, then the car did it's job in protecting your life. If you're hurt, well at least you are alive. Thinking of the uttermost terrible outcome is never a good thought process. Yes you can prepare for it, but you will never know.

So I ask you, why think about it?

Edit: If you are THAT worried. Don't drive past the speed limit all the time, and don't get a M. Buy an Acura.

mgcyr · 11-23-2015, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Arcades

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Originally Posted by mgcyr

Why would the results be significantly different in an F8x vs an F3x?

I find the results a bit disturbing actually.

Again, the real life applications of this is unrealistic.

How often do you hear on the news of a car slamming head long into a wall?

The F8x may look like their F3x counter parts but structurally they are made utterly different. A car is suppose to protect your life if the unthinkable happens. No car will really survive a head long crash into anything. Unless you are driving a military Hummer or a Tank.

You may be injured, but if you survive a catastrophic hit, then the car did it's job in protecting your life. If you're hurt, well at least you are alive. Thinking of the uttermost terrible outcome is never a good thought process. Yes you can prepare for it, but you will never know.

So I ask you, why think about it?

I agree. It just seems to me that it would be reasonable to assume that a 3 series should perform at the same level as a Sonata or an Accord in standard crash tests.

PhoenixBimmer · 11-23-2015, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Arcades

Again, the real life applications of this is unrealistic.

How often do you hear on the news of a car slamming head long into a wall?

The F8x may look like their F3x counter parts but structurally they are made utterly different. A car is suppose to protect your life if the unthinkable happens. No car will really survive a head long crash into anything. Unless you are driving a military Hummer or a Tank.

You may be injured, but if you survive a catastrophic hit, then the car did it's job in protecting your life. If you're hurt, well at least you are alive. Thinking of the uttermost terrible outcome is never a good thought process. Yes you can prepare for it, but you will never know.

So I ask you, why think about it?

Edit: If you are THAT worried. Don't drive past the speed limit all the time, and don't get a M. Buy an Acura.

how often? it's actually 25% of real world (frontal crash) accidents happening like "small overlap crash test". That's why IIHS started to implicated it into their standardized crash test. I hope M3/M4 would be different.

"Despite widespread advances in traffic safety, these sorts of accidents remain an automotive Achilles' heel – many cars are surprisingly inept at handling them. In the real world, small-front overlap crashes account for almost a quarter of frontal crashes that involve a serious injury or death".
http://www.autoblog.com/2014/05/06/b...nt-crash-test/

BhamDavid · 11-23-2015, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mgcyr

I agree. It just seems to me that it would be reasonable to assume that a 3 series should perform at the same level as a Sonata or an Accord in standard crash tests.

A transverse engine front wheel drive car has more of a natural barrier in these type tests.

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