[Brindle101]

Ok, not sure if this was done before. For those actually getting the car, did you order manual or dct? I ordered manual, but the dct is also soooo sweet.

[csbear]

Yes, it's been asked before, but here is my view nonetheless:

When I put my name down on the waiting list, I was mostly thinking manual, but just wanted to ask the BMW salesman on his thoughts of DCT vs manual on the M2.

I remember him saying something like, "As a sales employee I would normally try and convince you to go DCT on any models that give you an option, every time. That's what we do. But with the M2, manual...period."

DCT is obviously a great transmission, no doubt. It will give you that oommphh factor from a red light. But like always, you will get used to it....

However, I know in the back of my mind that I will SORELY miss the 3rd pedal and video game-like shifting of owning a manual if I went DCT.

I just need that shifter knob feeling in my right hand..haha! Tactile feedback is half the fun of driving a manual performance car.

[gthal]

It's been done like an overcooked striploin left on the BBQ for an hour and a half.

[Brindle101]

Originally Posted by gthal

It's been done like an overcooked striploin left on the BBQ for an hour and a half.

Hay, that was pretty funny!

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Brindle101

Ok, not sure if this was done before.

"Not sure" ? Not sure if people are still alive because this topic has been discussed to death. Simply type "manual" or "DCT" in the "Search this Forum" section and fasten your seatbelt.

6MT versus M-DCT is a bit like analog versus digital. As a matter of fact, it's all pretty personal: related to personal circumstances and preferences. How do you plan to use your car ? What matters most for you ? If you're regularly stuck in tailbacks/queues: do you prefer more shifting comfort ? Do you prefer to work the gears or do you prefer Mister Robot (the gear's butler 'at your service') to flawlessly take care of that for you ?

Feel free to cast your vote: http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1177987

Here's an older post:

Originally Posted by Artemis

We all know that it's a subjective, personal thing. Numerous, endless discussions about this topic at car forums.

True that it's nostalgia related, as technology inevitably evolves, improving situations.

But there is that peculiar physical and psychological aspect: rowing through gears with an MT feels more like as if the stick is an extension of your arm (and actually it is). Foot and arm operating in close harmony, as if you could touch - and stay in control over - the mechanics mounted onto the chassis. Getting you a little closer to experiencing the car's pulse (movements, bumps, clicks, vibrations, etc.). As a matter of fact, you got a more direct contact with the machinery - less 'sterile' compared to 'sending a message' to the machinery with a mini-moment paddle click or by delegating the whole shifting job to the robot for comfort purposes. And I don't mind that we can never match the speed, shifting perfection and consistency of the robot. No prizes to win. I consider it a benefit that one got to 'work' the machinery, that it requires more involvement. Though I fully understand that others will reply that AUTO/DCT is way more comfortable to operate.

Actually, I don't mind hearing someone gasping for breath when (s)he's singing a song or playing an instrument. I don't mind the artist and audience generating additional sounds that do not feature on the music score. To some extent all those additional sounds (noise?) could be edited out of the recording to achieve a more 'pure' sound, but I don't like that. For, often natural sounds feel more recognizable, more comfortable to connect to.

On the other hand, I do not mind embracing technology. If we adopt the same idea set out above to all sorts of assistance (warnings, DSC nannies, ABS, hill hold, navigation, comfort access, light and rain sensors, cruise control, high beam assist, power/memory seats, etc.) one could consider that you should leave it all off or out (if possible) to have a more 'pure' driving experience. Paradoxically, I don't mind those things (gadgets and gimmicks ?) to be on board and active. But as regards transmission, I'm an old skool MT aficionado.

[Rogue_fxdl]

Stick a fork in it..it's done...

[mmmmmazing]

Funny story...the dealer I'm collecting my BSM DCT from has sold more DCT's than manuals (75% of M2 sales). I feel purists want manual and those who just want an M go automatic.

[swilliams]

Real car guys pick SMG and carry a spare relay in their back pocket.

[gthal]

Originally Posted by mmmmmazing

Funny story...the dealer I'm collecting my BSM DCT from has sold more DCT's than manuals (75% of M2 sales). I feel purists want manual and those who just want an M go automatic.

I don't think this is true... I think people want different performance characteristics. One is not "better" than the other... just different.

I'm about as much of an enthusiast as anyone and, although I have owned more MT's than anything else, I have owned and enjoyed DCT cars. To say "those who just want an M get an auto" is not true and a bit insulting to people who just want a higher level of performance in the DCT. Others want the manual experience. Who's right? Both camps IMO.

Having said that, there are some who just want an M and buy an auto It just is not all of them

[mmmmmazing]

Yeah I guess you are right as I'm a purist and still went with the DCT first to see if I like it as I had a PDK prior.

[gthal]

Originally Posted by mmmmmazing

Yeah I guess you are right as I'm a purist and still went with the DCT first to see if I like it as I had a PDK prior.

That's awesome

I personally like both transmissions... but gotta go with the MT this time. Next time? Hmmm...

[Bluenose-2er]

Originally Posted by gthal

I don't think this is true... I think people want different performance characteristics. One is not "better" than the other... just different.

Agree. I have tried cars with paddle shifters before and it didn't feel right to me at all. Of course, not sure I have driven a DCT - but don't imagine it would feel more normal, just much better shifting. If you don't mind the feel of DCT, more power to you... I am not so much a purist as an old dog that can't learn new tricks.

Used to be manual had everything over automatic, better mileage, faster, more reliable. Now that has all pretty much reversed (for premium cars anyway), but I still can't let go! Plus it gives my left leg something to do.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by swilliams

Real car guys pick SMG and carry a spare relay in their back pocket.

You won't believe what spare part the Maranello folks put on board of a Ferrari Enzo. Yup, Italians know their priorities.
See 03:27-03:37 below.

But, back in the day, you also happened to get some interesting goodies supplied with your BMW E9 3.0 CSL ("Batmobil"):

"Why is the later 3.0 CSL sometimes referred to as the "Batmobile"?
In addition to the standard front airdam and rear spoiler, 3.2-liter CSL models could be fitted with a removable "racing kit" consisting of an air guide mounted above the rear window and an enlarged rear spoiler, both designed to increase downforce on the competition machines. The addition of these rather striking appendages resulted in the nickname "Batmobile." Because these items were required on the road version for homologation purpose but could not be installed at the factory due to a conflict with various European laws, they were supplied as the removable kit."

[pruettfan]

Decided to go with DCT, I have had many manual cars over the years and never had a DCT so that combined with the neuro challenges from my back surgery that have taken some of the joy out of manual transmissions for me led me to order my first DCT ever. The great thing about the M2 is we have a choice between two fantastic transmissions, no way you can go wrong on this one. DCT if light year ahead of the terrible SMG of later years.

[dammitcubs]

This is literally like asking Blonde or Brunette over and over and over again.

DCT vs Manual is as personal as it gets for the car. If you can't decide, then through weird logic - manual is not for you. Go DCT.

[weyland]

Originally Posted by dammitcubs

This is literally like asking Blonde or Brunette over and over and over again.

DCT vs Manual is as personal as it gets for the car. If you can't decide, then through weird logic - manual is not for you. Go DCT.

I agree - it's horses for courses. But I think your logic is the wrong way around. If you are unsure, then stick with what you have got. You won't be disappointed or feel you've made the wrong choice - you're in familiar territory. If you are unsure and you opt for the alternative, buyers remorse could be huge!

For me, start-stop city driving 90% of the time equals DCT. Anything else = manual.

[Nahlem]

I Ordered mine with a Manual i am to young to own a DCT still, Or i just don't want to realize my limits yet xD, But none the less always when i drive my bosses I3 for different stuff and errands i tend to miss the damn shifter my hand automatically goes down to shift a gear for some reason, Then i panic cause i can't find the shifter until i realize its a freaking automatic. But that mini heart attack between the moment of not finding the gear shifter until my brain realize its an automatic, damn that gets me every time and raises my pulse for some weird reason xD

[OrangeCrush]

DCT because racecar.

Yes! First one to say it in this thread! What do I win! Wooo, feels good!

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by Alden_88M

I Ordered mine with a Manual i am to young to own a DCT still, Or i just don't want to realize my limits yet xD, But none the less always when i drive my bosses I3 for different stuff and errands i tend to miss the damn shifter my hand automatically goes down to shift a gear for some reason, Then i panic cause i can't find the shifter until i realize its a freaking automatic. But that mini heart attack between the moment of not finding the gear shifter until my brain realize its an automatic, damn that gets be every time and raises my pulse for some weird reason xD

So no 991 GT3RS/458 Speciale/F12 TDF for you then, because too young lol

Cheers
Robin

[Nahlem]

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

So no 991 GT3RS/458 Speciale/F12 TDF for you then, because too young lol

Cheers
Robin

No that would me more of not leaving an big gaping hole in my wallet xD

[jtodd_fl]

Originally Posted by OrangeCrush

DCT because racecar.

Yes! First one to say it in this thread! What do I win! Wooo, feels good!

You forgot the hashtag... #racecar. I award you zero points.

[JTO24]

I love manual as my e92 M3 was manual but the DCT in my F80 is awesome, too. Each are great to drive for different reasons. For my next car, my preference is manual just to change it up again.