UPDATE: SALES NOW APPROVED. BMW Diesel Models Delayed by More Stringent EPA Testing

Jason · 07-20-2016, 01:09 PM

Updated 8/3/16

via Automotive News:

TRAVERSE CITY, Mich. -- The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency said on Tuesday it has approved the sale of new 2017 model year BMW AG diesel vehicles in the United States after a thorough review.

Chris Grundler, head of the EPA's Office of Transportation and Air Quality, told reporters on the sidelines of an automotive conference the agency granted certification to BMW on Friday. BMW had said last month that U.S. product certification of all 2017 BMW diesel models has been delayed due to testing logistics.

"We tested the vehicles every which way from Sunday," Grundler said. "We asked for more data from the company."

In September, the EPA said it would review all U.S. diesel vehicles following an admission from Volkswagen AG that it installed software in cars allowing them to emit up to 40 times legally permissible level of pollution.

Grundler said the agency has not yet approved sale of Daimler AG's 2017 diesel Mercedes-Benz vehicles. "Discussions continue," Grundler said, declining to elaborate on why EPA has not approved certifications for the Mercedes vehicles.

In April, Daimer disclosed the U.S. Justice Department had asked the carmaker to investigate its emissions certification process for vehicles including its Mercedes brand.

Last month, Daimler said EPA and the California Air Resources Board were also conducting inquiries. Daimler said in its earnings release that it could face "delays in obtaining regulatory approvals necessary to introduce new diesel models, which could cause significant collateral damage including reputational harm."

BMW said about 4 percent of U.S. sales last year were diesel models.

VW still hasn't received approval to sell 2016 diesel vehicles in the U.S. and hasn't asked the EPA for permission to sell 2017 diesel models, Grundler said.

Original post: 7/20/16

Via Autonews:

The EPA’s crackdown on diesels has delayed the certification and sale of four BMW models.

BMW confirmed it is still awaiting production certification of all 2017 diesels and would not say now long this would take.

“In light of recent events, agencies are taking longer to certify diesel models for the U.S., but there has been no indication that BMW’s diesel models do not meet all requisite emission standards or that there is a defeat device in the vehicle,” BMW said in a statement.

The affected 2017 models are the 328d sedan, the 328d Sports Wagon, and the X3 xDrive28d and X5 xDrive35d crossovers. A spokesman said production will begin “once homologation has been finalized.”

The EPA would not specifically confirm delaying BMW’s models. But the agency did confirm in an email: “It is true that diesel vehicles are getting extra scrutiny and that has extended the certification process longer than normal. In general, manufacturers have been supportive of this additional testing and have adjusted their timing to account for the additional test duration.”

Regulators are subjecting diesels to additional testing because of the ongoing scandal over Volkswagen diesels. VW admitted last fall that it rigged some 11 million diesel-powered vehicles worldwide with defeat device software that turns emissions controls on only when the vehicle senses it’s being tested. In regular driving, the systems turn off, which boosts engine performance and fuel economy but permits up to 40 times the legal limit of pollution.

WreckerX5d · 07-20-2016, 02:22 PM

The EPA has gone too far with choking the diesels, they need to breathe like everyone else!

#diesellivesmatter

SCOTT26 · 07-20-2016, 03:20 PM

Thank you Volkswagen.

Flying Ace · 07-20-2016, 04:34 PM

this effected the release of last year's D's as well IIRC.

2M · 07-20-2016, 05:11 PM

Last year I had Diesel drama, EPA not right now....

Zebra99 · 07-20-2016, 08:27 PM

Would this then be the first production year the X3 gets a Diesel engine? I've been waiting for it to come down the line in models because the X5 is so bloody expensive

ORIGIN M. · 07-21-2016, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Thank you Volkswagen.

BMW can score many thank you's... And truly thank Volkswagen IF they change the last letter to an E...

Make a stand BMW !

330e

NTX · 07-21-2016, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Zebra99

Would this then be the first production year the X3 gets a Diesel engine? I've been waiting for it to come down the line in models because the X5 is so bloody expensive

Don't know where your location is, but the X3 in the US had had a diesel option for the past year I know for sure. It was a 28d model.

robbieracer · 07-21-2016, 09:45 AM

We have a 535d and love it! It's the best highway cruiser I've ever been in. With a light foot (wife driving) we can easily get 42- 43 mpg doing 75 mph on the highway. Overall we average 37 mpg. Gotta love those diesels...

Zebra99 · 07-21-2016, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by NTX

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zebra99

Would this then be the first production year the X3 gets a Diesel engine? I've been waiting for it to come down the line in models because the X5 is so bloody expensive

Don't know where your location is, but the X3 in the US had had a diesel option for the past year I know for sure. It was a 28d model.

Canada... And I don't think I've seen any yet and that's even a recent visit to the dealer.

I'd be super excited to get one in M-sport because they actually look bad ass on the G production

BimmerMat135 · 07-21-2016, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Zebra99

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Originally Posted by NTX

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Originally Posted by Zebra99

Would this then be the first production year the X3 gets a Diesel engine? I've been waiting for it to come down the line in models because the X5 is so bloody expensive

Don't know where your location is, but the X3 in the US had had a diesel option for the past year I know for sure. It was a 28d model.

Canada... And I don't think I've seen any yet and that's even a recent visit to the dealer.

I'd be super excited to get one in M-sport because they actually look bad ass on the G production

I think that the X3 had the 28d option since MY2015 in Canada. I saw many on the road already.

igom3 · 07-21-2016, 12:23 PM

Glad we got our YM 2016 X5 35d.My wife loves the car. We can get close to 35MPG on HWY going 75MPH.

Flying Ace · 07-21-2016, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by robbieracer

We have a 535d and love it! It's the best highway cruiser I've ever been in. With a light foot (wife driving) we can easily get 42- 43 mpg doing 75 mph on the highway. Overall we average 37 mpg. Gotta love those diesels...

the current gen diesels are much more efficient than the E-cars cars...

My E70 X5d gets 16 city 26 highway (realized) and F15 gets 20/29 IIRC...I mean, that's a huge difference, a lot of it is attributed to the transmission and lower weight.

One thing for sure, diesels love high speed cruising...at times I can get 30 mpgs on my E70.

CanAutM3 · 07-21-2016, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason

Regulators are subjecting diesels to additional testing because of the ongoing scandal over Volkswagen diesels. VW admitted last fall that it rigged some 11 million diesel-powered vehicles worldwide with defeat device software that turns emissions controls on only when the vehicle senses it’s being tested. In regular driving, the systems turn off, which boosts engine performance and fuel economy but permits up to 40 times the legal limit of pollution.

...for one type of pullutant under WOT conditions !!

While what WV did certainly is not an acceptable practice, people make it sound worse that what it actually is.

We're driving an Audi A4 diesel while on vacation in Europe averaging 4.8l/100km. Quite amazing. It's funny how the EPA does not factor the pollution generated by the disposal of hybrid vehicles' batteries

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123sub · 07-21-2016, 02:52 PM

I walk before driving a diesel.

deepblonde · 07-22-2016, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by 123sub

I walk before driving a diesel.

What about as a passenger? Couldn't take a bus, a ride in a truck, nor go on a ship, or a taxi in Europe if you won't go diesel...

Flying Ace · 07-24-2016, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by deepblonde

What about as a passenger? Couldn't take a bus, a ride in a truck, nor go on a ship, or a taxi in Europe if you won't go diesel...

Quiet! He's making an unsubstantiated statement

CaryTheLabelGuy · 07-24-2016, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Zebra99

Would this then be the first production year the X3 gets a Diesel engine? I've been waiting for it to come down the line in models because the X5 is so bloody expensive

No, for My15 there was the X3 XDrive 28d. In addition to my M4 ZCP, I also own the X3 Diesel. It is a great car and an awesome little engine.

Zebra99 · 07-24-2016, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by CaryTheLabelGuy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zebra99

Would this then be the first production year the X3 gets a Diesel engine? I've been waiting for it to come down the line in models because the X5 is so bloody expensive

No, for My15 there was the X3 XDrive 28d. In addition to my M4 ZCP, I also own the X3 Diesel. It is a great car and an awesome little engine.

Ya I just noticed there are 16' models and I'm seriously considering it

finewayne · 07-24-2016, 06:48 PM

i think they will just be regulated into nonexistence.

CaryTheLabelGuy · 07-24-2016, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flying Ace

the current gen diesels are much more efficient than the E-cars cars...

My E70 X5d gets 16 city 26 highway (realized) and F15 gets 20/29 IIRC...I mean, that's a huge difference, a lot of it is attributed to the transmission and lower weight.

One thing for sure, diesels love high speed cruising...at times I can get 30 mpgs on my E70.

My MY15 X3 Diesel gets 38-44mpg on the highway, depending on how fast I want to set cruise control. It averages around 30mpg in the city!

123sub · 07-25-2016, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by deepblonde

What about as a passenger? Couldn't take a bus, a ride in a truck, nor go on a ship, or a taxi in Europe if you won't go diesel...

Diesel is OK, but not in you own car.

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