[auf Deutsch]

What stood out to me the most....108 db at WOT, 4 times louder than the Hellcat and 1000 times better sounding. Goosebumps-o-plenty.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...d-track-review

[dgp]

Originally Posted by auf Deutsch

What stood out to me the most....108 db at WOT, 4 times louder than the Hellcat and 1000 times better sounding. Goosebumps-o-plenty.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...d-track-review

And only 4 tenths quicker than base 991.2 to 60mph

[KevinM]

Originally Posted by dgp

And only 4 tenths quicker than base 991.2 to 60mph

Right..but that is surely not the point of this car.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by dgp

And only 4 tenths quicker than base 991.2 to 60mph

When it comes to cars, some people only care about:

[dgp]

Originally Posted by KevinM

Right..but that is surely not the point of this car.

You're right. Its point is to get as fast as possible at the track. Wait-doesn't a lower hp corvette grand sport hit almost the same lap time at VIR? I'm sure people will continue to pay huge premiums for a car that isn't the fastest at track and well below similarly priced cars in straight line(570S, r8 v10 plus, huracan)

In fact Porsche may focus more on its turbo cars to catch up in performance to McLaren/Ferrari/lambo...

[Red Bread]

Dear lord, why are you poking the bear?!

[chillindrdude]

I think the assembly and quality/feel of materials also partially account for the price differential. My 36k mileage, 6 year old GT3 still feels like a new car. Surfaces wearing minimally, buttons/knobs solid and with positive feel. Car devoid of rattles or squeaks. The depreciation curve of the Porsche also are far more favorable than a corvette.

Whether you, as a consumer, see any value in that is subjective. In part also, influenced by the amount of disposable income one has.

Strictly from a performance point of view, lap times are indeed similar. If it's all that matters to you, then yes, I would simply get the best performing car for the lowest price. But for me, when calculating my decision; quality construction, durability, engine placement, depreciation, all were considered along with performance....

[dgp]

Originally Posted by chillindrdude

I think the assembly and quality/feel of materials also partially account for the price differential. My 36k mileage, 6 year old GT3 still feels like a new car. Surfaces wearing minimally, buttons/knobs solid and with positive feel. Car devoid of rattles or squeaks. The depreciation curve of the Porsche also are far more favorable than a corvette.

Whether you, as a consumer, see any value in that is subjective. In part also, influenced by the amount of disposable income one has.

Strictly from a performance point of view, lap times are indeed similar. And it all that matters to you, then yes, I would simply get the best performing car for the lowest price. But for me, when calculating my decision; quality construction, durability, engine placement, depreciation, all were considered along with performance....

Agree with that..

[991GT3]

Originally Posted by dgp

And only 4 tenths quicker than base 991.2 to 60mph

.4 of a second is a pretty sizeable gap to 60. And it just keeps getting bigger as speed increases.

[AW335TT]

Car looks sooo good in white.

[Vigilante375]

So out of all the performance data, you like that its loud? I could make my lawn mower louder than that.

[gremlyng]

Originally Posted by KevinM

Right..but that is surely not the point of this car.

Totally Agree

[auf Deutsch]

Originally Posted by Vigilante375

So out of all the performance data, you like that its loud? I could make my lawn mower louder than that.

I said what stood out the most, not what I liked the most. Does your lawn mower have a glorious flat 6 that screams at 8800 rpm? The article mentioned that driving near redline for more than 15 minutes a day could cause permanent hearing loss. I find that rather interesting.

[Vigilante375]

Originally Posted by auf Deutsch

I said what stood out the most, not what I liked the most. Does your lawn mower have a glorious flat 6 that screams at 8800 rpm? The article mentioned that driving near redline for more than 15 minutes a day could cause permanent hearing loss. I find that rather interesting.

No, but I have a I6 that screams to 6K RPMs (peak power) and a I4 that screams to 13,750 RPMs. None of which blow up like the 3.8/4.0 GT3 RS engines.

Interesting to read that the weight savings causes the weight to unevenly distributed.

[HXS]

the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health would recommend less than 15 minutes per day spent near redline to avoid permanent hearing loss.

Where do I sign up?

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by 991GT3

.4 of a second is a pretty sizeable gap to 60.

Indeed, it's a 13.3% difference.
If that difference/gain was extrapolated to all aspects of the car, it would lap a base 991.2 every 7.5 laps. That would make it a ridiculously fast car.... (but in practice it doesnt work that way )

[dgp]

Originally Posted by 991GT3

.4 of a second is a pretty sizeable gap to 60. And it just keeps getting bigger as speed increases.

Similar gap in acceleration from 570S to RS except 570S is similar price to RS, and 570 acceleration is at least 6-8mph faster trap speeds than RS. Funny how people view RS as so much faster in straight line than base 991.2 but when a car it competes with accelerates quicker at a similar gap they never mention it

[991GT3]

Originally Posted by dgp

Similar gap in acceleration from 570S to RS except 570S is similar price to RS, and 570 acceleration is at least 6-8mph faster trap speeds than RS. Funny how people view RS as so much faster in straight line than base 991.2 but when a car it competes with accelerates quicker at a similar gap they never mention it

You seem like contrarian. The RS is an incredibly fast car, in every respect. It is a special low production vehicle. I don't think anyone is implying the Carrera S isn't fast and the law of diminishing returns is always in play when car prices increase. I would argue Porsche GT cars are cheaper than their regular 911s because they hold their value much better. I wouldn't buy a regular 911 for that very reason.

BTW this shows how special the RS is.
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...omparison-test

[FogCityM3]

Originally Posted by auf Deutsch

What stood out to me the most....108 db at WOT, 4 times louder than the Hellcat and 1000 times better sounding. Goosebumps-o-plenty.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...d-track-review

That would be a big issue for where I track.

[RM7]

Makes you feel like you are going faster than you are.

[dgp]

Originally Posted by 991GT3

You seem like contrarian. The RS is an incredibly fast car, in every respect. It is a special low production vehicle. I don't think anyone is implying the Carrera S isn't fast and the law of diminishing returns is always in play when car prices increase. I would argue Porsche GT cars are cheaper than their regular 911s because they hold their value much better. I wouldn't buy a regular 911 for that very reason.

BTW this shows how special the RS is.
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...omparison-test

Don't get me wrong I think the RS is an incredible car-but not sure if it's worth way over MSRP as it doesn't seem such a good deal at 250k and above. Below 200k it is ok and likely a good deal.

As for that test vs 570S, car and driver seemed to not get as good of a time vs the RS whereas at VIR 570S was only 4 tenths off RS time and I believe Mclaren was present there to tell drivers how to get the most out of the car. In normal driving on the street the RS is significantly slower as the base Mclaren is quicker in straight line than 991.2 turbo S with 580hp!!

Overall both cars are awesome with 570S having much better materials with carbon tub vs Porsche's steel/aluminum chassis and RS having better sounding engine and track setup/tires!!

If only Porsche would have a carbon tub or Mclaren would use an NA engine similar to old F1 things would be near perfect!

[991GT3]

Originally Posted by dgp

Don't get me wrong I think the RS is an incredible car-but not sure if it's worth way over MSRP as it doesn't seem such a good deal at 250k and above. Below 200k it is ok and likely a good deal.

As for that test vs 570S, car and driver seemed to not get as good of a time vs the RS whereas at VIR 570S was only 4 tenths off RS time and I believe Mclaren was present there to tell drivers how to get the most out of the car. In normal driving on the street the RS is significantly slower as the base Mclaren is quicker in straight line than 991.2 turbo S with 580hp!!

Overall both cars are awesome with 570S having much better materials with carbon tub vs Porsche's steel/aluminum chassis and RS having better sounding engine and track setup/tires!!

If only Porsche would have a carbon tub or Mclaren would use an NA engine similar to old F1 things would be near perfect!

The GT3 RS is an awesome car but it is one step too far for me(not that I could easily get one). The regular GT3 is on the right side of tastefulness IMO.
I can't rationalize a Turbo or a Turbo S because of the heavy depreciation. If I want pure performance that is relatively affordable I'll stick to GTRs(waiting on the R36).

Above sticker buying is for people that money is never an issue. For me I don't have that luxury but I have purchased enough Cayennes and Macans to warrant my dealer snagging me a GT car at MSRP every year or so.
I'm going to sell my 991.1 GT3 before winter and cross my fingers I can get a 991.2 GT3 or a 991 GT2 next year. The biggest problem is 918 owners(Porsche VIP) get pretty much all the allocations.