Carbon or sun/moonroof

Simon H · 11-11-2018, 03:56 AM

Hi Chaps,
Has anyone here gone for the sun/moonroof over the carbon roof ?. Im buying next year, and will be going for the sunroof, as im not bothered about the carbon roof. Its the first thing i do on entering the car, tilt open the roof, and on sunny days, i get more enjoyment from opening the roof, than looking at a carbon roof. Im after MBB, and this colour masks the fact the carbon roof is gone ?.

Jez_zza · 11-11-2018, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Simon H

Hi Chaps,
Has anyone here gone for the sun/moonroof over the carbon roof ?. Im buying next year, and will be going for the sunroof, as im not bothered about the carbon roof. Its the first thing i do on entering the car, tilt open the roof, and on sunny days, i get more enjoyment from opening the roof, than looking at a carbon roof. Im after MBB, and this colour masks the fact the carbon roof is gone ?.

If you go moonroof, I'd suggest to wrap the roof in gloss black to keep the "sportiness " look

JOHNBMWM5 · 11-11-2018, 05:52 AM

I take it you want to here the exhaust Simon, I would NOT go Sunroof, you have A/C why open a roof?. Your choice not the best RV option IMO.

Ryno 27 · 11-11-2018, 06:01 AM

Get what brings you enjoyment. Nothing wrong with sunshine in the ///M cabin...

Simon H · 11-11-2018, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by JOHNBMWM5

I take it you want to here the exhaust Simon, I would NOT go Sunroof, you have A/C why open a roof?. Your choice not the best RV option IMO.

I love the roof open John, and it would help with the exhaust sound, also brings in a lot of light. Just never been bothered about a carbon roof, even on the M4

Dinan-M · 11-11-2018, 11:18 AM

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I love the roof open John, and it would help with the exhaust sound, also brings in a lot of light. Just never been bothered about a carbon roof, even on the M4

This is what I did! I wrap my roof in 3M carbon fiber. The best of both worlds.

PaulT_M5 · 11-11-2018, 11:20 AM

5% of the 1,000+ UK F90's built so far have a sunroof.

I think the loss is value down the line is irrelevant when compared to the depreciation on the car from new, so go with what you want. After all, you're going to be driving it for the next few years (or months in the case of some people), so you might as well get the car you want.

CanuckinVancouver · 11-11-2018, 11:35 AM

While I can see the attraction of the carbon fibre roof for some, I chose the moonroof as I appreciate the extra light in the gloomy rainy Vancouver fall and winter. For me it was the right choice but to each their own,

CarlosM4 · 11-11-2018, 12:51 PM

Moonroof. The carbon roof doesn't really add anything towards performance.
It looks cool, but you lose ambiente lighting, and listening to the exhaust with moonroof open.

CarlosM4 · 11-11-2018, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jez_zza

If you go moonroof, I'd suggest to wrap the roof in gloss black to keep the "sportiness " look

I don't see what is the point of this mod (not trying to come across like a jackass, and if I come out like one, I apologize). It is an M5, I think the wrap doesn't really add to the car, especially due to the fact that the gloss back carbon roof has other angles and curves.

Jez_zza · 11-11-2018, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Jez_zza

If you go moonroof, I'd suggest to wrap the roof in gloss black to keep the "sportiness " look

I don't see what is the point of this mod (not trying to come across like a jackass, and if I come out like one, I apologize). It is an M5, I think the wrap doesn't really add to the car, especially due to the fact that the gloss back carbon roof has other angles and curves.

No problem at all. It's just my personal preference but I hear you about the angles/shapes of the carbon roof

Pazzo009 · 11-11-2018, 01:05 PM

CF roof significantly improves handling and body roll. I'd stay with the CF roof.

CarlosM4 · 11-11-2018, 01:08 PM

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CF roof significantly improves handling and body roll. I'd stay with the CF roof.

That has never been proven. In the E90 days, the japonese magazine that drives cars on track, drove an E90 Sedan and an E92 Coupe (one with moonroof the other with CF roof), and the cars were equally quick (with 0.02s of one another after a ton of laps in the same day). I understand the handling balance between Sedan and Coupe is different, but the CF roof doesn't add that much. Besides it is still a steel frame roof with CF on top, so there is very little difference to a normal steel roof structure. If you are talking about a panoramic and gnormous moonroof like the one the E63 S has, all right, I will concede that there is some difference (not as much as you say though). But in the case of the M5, the difference is minimal, if not nul.

Quickburn7 · 11-11-2018, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Pazzo009

CF roof significantly improves handling and body roll. I'd stay with the CF roof.

That has never been proven. In the E90 days, the japonese magazine that drives cars on track, drove an E90 Sedan and an E92 Coupe (one with moonroof the other with CF roof), and the cars were equally quick (with 0.02s of one another after a ton of laps in the same day). I understand the handling balance between Sedan and Coupe is different, but the CF roof doesn't add that much. Besides it is still a steel frame roof with CF on top, so there is very little difference to a normal steel roof structure. If you are talking about a panoramic and gnormous moonroof like the one the E63 S has, all right, I will concede that there is some difference (not as much as you say though). But in the case of the M5, the difference is minimal, if not nul.

I searched and shipped a car from Virginia to Los Angeles just for the moon roof. Can't imagine being in sunny Socal and not having the moon roof open on a nice day to get some cool air and to hear the Eisenmann exhaust. The moon roof option does look sporty but for me it didn't make any sense for my climate

marcvtec · 11-11-2018, 03:25 PM

I never use moon roof - so easy choice for me.
Since you the op, said you like, then do it.

I'm also a bit blessed I suppose as my wife car is a convertible and can drive that for fun too.

Jman911TTS · 11-11-2018, 03:47 PM

All my cars have sunroof but the M5 MUST have CF roof. The CF roof enhances the sportiness of the M5. You will not regret your decision, OP.

BlueBMWM5CP · 11-11-2018, 04:14 PM

I really like the extra lines of the Carbon Roof with the M5 Comp in MBB, Black Wheels Black Mirrors, Black Carbon Roof Black Carbon side skirts and Black Carbon rear diffuser Black Grill and I want to get the Pro M Black Carbon wing lol.

But it is all personal preference the dealer I ordered my car from will not order an M5 or M5 Comps for stock without a sunroof only special orders getting the Carbon they are scared of having an M5 without a sunroof sitting in stock.

You should get what you want and what makes you happy the M5 will be awesome with or without a sunroof!

fstezaws · 11-11-2018, 09:43 PM

I enjoyed the moonroof on my F10. I used it a lot. I was torn on whether to get the moonroof on the F90, but I am SOOOO glad I got the carbon roof. It looks incredible, and really makes the car that much better looking.

I'm usually against added carbon elements on most cars because it looks chintzy...but on this car, it looks like its at home.

CarlosM4 · 11-12-2018, 06:31 AM

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I searched and shipped a car from Virginia to Los Angeles just for the moon roof. Can't imagine being in sunny Socal and not having the moon roof open on a nice day to get some cool air and to hear the Eisenmann exhaust. The moon roof option does look sporty but for me it didn't make any sense for my climate

Completely agree. The small trade off in terms of looks and rigidity, is more than made up by the extra sun light and sound.

norbtx · 11-12-2018, 07:18 AM

Carbon all the way, its like passing up a couple of thousand dollars option if you don't order it.

adeuel · 11-13-2018, 03:20 PM

Light > Lighter

DCG · 11-15-2018, 10:25 AM

OK guys an M4 lover here. Unfortunately with the current M4 with Carbon Fiber Roof there is NO actual roof mounting brackets/bolts for a Thule Rack. For some reason they did not include that, to me it's a total F-up, because the previous model had that. You can only get the bolts with the Metal w/Sunroof option. I don't care about having a metal roof, BUT I do NOT want a sunroof. I don't get why it's not included and they have not fixed it yet. It can't be a structural thing because it bolts into the frame of the roof pillars.

I just looked at the brand new M5, here is a photograph of the roof mounting/bolt. Can anyone tell me is it actually functional on the new M5.

I am working hard to get this standard option on all BMWs in the M4.

11-11-2018, 03:56 AM	#1
Simon H Major 876 Rep 1,319 Posts Drives: M5 Competition Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: UK iTrader: (0)	Carbon or sun/moonroof Hi Chaps, Has anyone here gone for the sun/moonroof over the carbon roof ?. Im buying next year, and will be going for the sunroof, as im not bothered about the carbon roof. Its the first thing i do on entering the car, tilt open the roof, and on sunny days, i get more enjoyment from opening the roof, than looking at a carbon roof. Im after MBB, and this colour masks the fact the carbon roof is gone ?.
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JOHNBMWM5 Live for today tomorrow never comes 2000 Rep 9,502 Posts Drives: 2023 LCI Marina Bay Blue/ Smok Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: UK iTrader: (0)	I take it you want to here the exhaust Simon, I would NOT go Sunroof, you have A/C why open a roof?. Your choice not the best RV option IMO. __________________ Live for now, life is too short. 2023 LCI M5 Marina Bay Blue/ Smoked White Leather, the very last of the F90 M5.
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PaulT_M5 Captain 288 Rep 638 Posts Drives: San Marino Blue F90 Join Date: May 2014 Location: Midlands, England iTrader: (0)	5% of the 1,000+ UK F90's built so far have a sunroof. I think the loss is value down the line is irrelevant when compared to the depreciation on the car from new, so go with what you want. After all, you're going to be driving it for the next few years (or months in the case of some people), so you might as well get the car you want. __________________ F90 San Marino Blue/Black
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CanuckinVancouver Enlisted Member 17 Rep 38 Posts Drives: 2019 Z3K F90 M5 Competition Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: Canada iTrader: (0)	While I can see the attraction of the carbon fibre roof for some, I chose the moonroof as I appreciate the extra light in the gloomy rainy Vancouver fall and winter. For me it was the right choice but to each their own,
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CarlosM4 Lieutenant 465 Rep 523 Posts Drives: C63 AMG Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Brazil iTrader: (0)	Moonroof. The carbon roof doesn't really add anything towards performance. It looks cool, but you lose ambiente lighting, and listening to the exhaust with moonroof open.
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Pazzo009 Major 1113 Rep 1,314 Posts Drives: X5M,M3(46&36),812SF Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: NY&GA iTrader: (0)	CF roof significantly improves handling and body roll. I'd stay with the CF roof. __________________ Instagram-Pazzo009 F90 M5(gone), S580 (until G90) X5M, 812SF E46 M3 (LSB on LSB) E36 M3 Avus
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marcvtec Banned 408 Rep 2,704 Posts Drives: M5 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: toronto iTrader: (0)	I never use moon roof - so easy choice for me. Since you the op, said you like, then do it. I'm also a bit blessed I suppose as my wife car is a convertible and can drive that for fun too. Attached Images
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Jman911TTS Private 69 Rep 70 Posts Drives: A few toys Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: Sun Diego iTrader: (0)	All my cars have sunroof but the M5 MUST have CF roof. The CF roof enhances the sportiness of the M5. You will not regret your decision, OP. __________________ 19 Model S Dual Motor 18 M5 - 18 M3CS 18 911 Turbo 19 Tacoma TRD Pro 20 Supra
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BlueBMWM5CP Private First Class 57 Rep 143 Posts Drives: 2019 M5 Competition Marina Bay Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Cleveland/Concord Ohio iTrader: (0) Garage List 2006 Mercedes SLK55 ... [0.00] 2012 BMW X5 Premium [0.00] 2013 BMW 535i Xdriv ... [0.00] 2019 BMW M5 Competi ... [0.00]	I really like the extra lines of the Carbon Roof with the M5 Comp in MBB, Black Wheels Black Mirrors, Black Carbon Roof Black Carbon side skirts and Black Carbon rear diffuser Black Grill and I want to get the Pro M Black Carbon wing lol. But it is all personal preference the dealer I ordered my car from will not order an M5 or M5 Comps for stock without a sunroof only special orders getting the Carbon they are scared of having an M5 without a sunroof sitting in stock. You should get what you want and what makes you happy the M5 will be awesome with or without a sunroof! Attached Images
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fstezaws Private First Class 91 Rep 159 Posts Drives: 2020 911 S — 2022 X5 M50 Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: AZ—USA iTrader: (0)	I enjoyed the moonroof on my F10. I used it a lot. I was torn on whether to get the moonroof on the F90, but I am SOOOO glad I got the carbon roof. It looks incredible, and really makes the car that much better looking. I'm usually against added carbon elements on most cars because it looks chintzy...but on this car, it looks like its at home.
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norbtx Lieutenant 337 Rep 578 Posts Drives: 2019 BMW M5 Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: Houston Texas USA iTrader: (0)	Carbon all the way, its like passing up a couple of thousand dollars option if you don't order it. __________________ 2019 M5 - Marina Bay Blue/Silverstone
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adeuel Lieutenant 317 Rep 516 Posts Drives: 2021 Oxford Green M5C Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Rochester NY iTrader: (0)	Light > Lighter
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DCG REBEL 783 Rep 1,281 Posts Drives: BMW X4 Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: New York iTrader: (0)	OK guys an M4 lover here. Unfortunately with the current M4 with Carbon Fiber Roof there is NO actual roof mounting brackets/bolts for a Thule Rack. For some reason they did not include that, to me it's a total F-up, because the previous model had that. You can only get the bolts with the Metal w/Sunroof option. I don't care about having a metal roof, BUT I do NOT want a sunroof. I don't get why it's not included and they have not fixed it yet. It can't be a structural thing because it bolts into the frame of the roof pillars. I just looked at the brand new M5, here is a photograph of the roof mounting/bolt. Can anyone tell me is it actually functional on the new M5. I am working hard to get this standard option on all BMWs in the M4. Attached Images
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