[e.n335]

Hi,

Not a fanboy of Vishnu and installed a PnP PROcede V3 today together with the Vishnu DCI on an e93 manual of a friend of mine ( MSD80 pre-29.2 ). Loaded 7-11 firmware and the non-doomsday beta stage1 map.

The install has been easy, the PnP harness is huge. However, the harness and the remote switch receiver fitted pretty good in the ECU-box. Damn, the car is fast. Stock UT settings, 93 octane gas. Everything else is stock, power-wise. No boost gauge on this car .

IMO big improvements compared to V2. Nice tune .

Someone knows how much power it should provide ?

- Eugen

[sflgator]

What's the "DCI?"

btw -- glad you finally like the PROcede (v3 PnP)! It's a great tune.

[munters]

I guess dual cone intake.

[e.n335]

Originally Posted by munters

I guess dual cone intake.

+1

[sflgator]

Got 'ya. Yeah, Shiv has always said the stock airbox is the main power restriction of the 335i. So, I guess one of these DCIs would help to increase HP/TQ even more when combined with an ECU tune.

[san~man]

What happened to your Noelle tune?

[e.n335]

Originally Posted by san~man

What happened to your Noelle tune?

It's on my car. The V3 is on a car of a friend.

[stressdoc]

So you guys going to compare them (Noelle & V3)?

[e.n335]

Originally Posted by stressdoc

So you guys going to compare them (Noelle & V3)?

Yes. He has a manual and will get my current Turbonetics / Spearco FMIC. I will install the Code3 / Spearco for steptronics and the BMW performance intake, once it's out. We also will install the latest Vishnu firmware and maps.

Then it's time to compare .

The Noelle tune together with the Spearco makes 14.8 psi and spikes during WOT step shifting up to 15.5 psi ( very short spike and rarely ). In case this turns out to be reliable on the long term it's simply great !

[Lane]

V2 should make the same power as V3 and even more than V3 in hot conditions. At the moment the V2 support is slightly behind and the UT settings need to be adjusted slightly up at high revs for having the equivalent of the V3 intake map. Easy to do.
V2 allows for short term overboost similarly to e.g. 911 turbo and is the professional (pinout) style.

[san~man]

Originally Posted by e.n335

It's on my car. The V3 is on a car of a friend.

Doh, guess I should've read the entire post haha

[Tuned335i]

Originally Posted by e.n335

installed a PnP PROcede V3 today together with the Vishnu DCI on an e93 manual of a friend of mine. No boost gauge on this car

Friends don't let friends install high-end tunes without having a boost gauge installed first

[stefano7171]

I AM the friend.

I wished to thank again Eugen for the perfect install of V3 harness and Cone intakes.

Actually Eugen's car feels fast. Very fast.

My one felt ok, then I realized I should push the on button on the remote controller to have the aggressive map on, then I did it and Whoaa!!!

I also have a sprint booster sport accelerator bypass in my car and I suggest everybody to get one!

After the Spearco install, we will compare the two cars! stay tuned!

[Driver72]

Since Eugen has an auto and you a manual, it will be hard to "compare" the tunes.
As he'd have a bit of an advantage with the auto as it is and there is no "shifting" speed from driver to contend with.

I will say this though, if the manual car outruns Eugen in the auto by ar CL or so, it would be safe to say the V3 is clearly faster. But if it's vice versa it could just be the auto's advantage and/or a slow shifting manual driver.

[Lane]

AT has higher drivetrain loss. At autobahn speeds MT is faster.

[stefano7171]

Originally Posted by Driver72

Since Eugen has an auto and you a manual, it will be hard to "compare" the tunes.
As he'd have a bit of an advantage with the auto as it is and there is no "shifting" speed from driver to contend with.

I will say this though, if the manual car outruns Eugen in the auto by ar CL or so, it would be safe to say the V3 is clearly faster. But if it's vice versa it could just be the auto's advantage and/or a slow shifting manual driver.

I agree, I do not consider myself as an exceptional manual "shifter" (at least by European standards!), therefore we should try to do a run where the gearbox effect is minimized, otherwise the steptronic would win even if my car had more ponies.

[NM_BMW]

Congrats on the tune! Glad you finally were able try out V3 eugen.

Originally Posted by stefano7171

I also have a sprint booster sport accelerator bypass in my car and I suggest everybody to get one!

Wha wha what?

[stefano7171]

Originally Posted by Lane

AT has higher drivetrain loss. At autobahn speeds MT is faster.

Ok then, we will arrange an autobahn challenge, starting at 155 mph. Please look after our children if we do not come back ....

[Driver72]

Originally Posted by Lane

AT has higher drivetrain loss. At autobahn speeds MT is faster.

Have you tested that???

I've ran several MT's in my AT car up to 120 mph (even when stock) and each time I was still creeping away.

AT may have more drivetrain loss, but it's VERY minimal according to BMW and from dynos I've seen. (5-8 rwhp)
But the AT has a shorter gearing ratio (for better acceleration) and has shift speeds faster than 99% of manual drivers, so those two things more than make up for the few extra hp lossed due to drivetrain of the AT.


I would do a 3rd gear start of 60 mph and go to 120 or so in this comparison.
This way there is only 1 shift involved for both cars.

[Lane]

Originally Posted by Driver72

Have you tested that???

I've ran several MT's in my AT car up to 120 mph (even when stock) and each time I was still creeping away.

AT may have more drivetrain loss, but it's VERY minimal according to BMW and from dynos I've seen. (5-8 rwhp)
But the AT has a shorter gearing ratio (for better acceleration) and has shift speeds faster than 99% of manual drivers, so those two things more than make up for the few extra hp lossed due to drivetrain of the AT.


I would do a 3rd gear start of 60 mph and go to 120 or so in this comparison.
This way there is only 1 shift involved for both cars.

Yes we tested that and we figured that the explanation was that the 5th and 6th gears of AT are taller than those of MT giving excellent MPGs but not too good for acceleration at high speeds. Moreover, the 5-8whp is at the typical dynos speeds, which are high, but still do not quite match the speeds that we were driving Since the drivetrain loss is proportional to speed, the actual power loss at higher speeds is more than 5-8whp. The faster gear shift of AT is not as big of an advantage at very high speeds since the time spend on shifting is a lot less than at lower speeds where the subsequent shifts occur right after each other.

[e.n335]

Looks like Stefano and me have to test at the Nardo track . Both cars should exceed 300 kph. I assume we will be pretty close ...

Nardo: http://www.silhouet.com/motorsport/tracks/nardo.html

However, lets start to dyno in 5th gear. This will give us accurate crank hp / tq numbers ( the only numbers that count, whp is depending on the gear you dyno, to be politically correct ). V3 customers can do this.

[stressdoc]

Woohoo, what a party! Eugen and Stefano got it together with tunes! This is going to rock!!! Wish I was over in Euro for a roadtrip.

Have fun and be safe.