Anyone interested in an E91 M3?

NewSong · 10-14-2008, 02:43 AM

I was driving down the 405 in Irvine the other day and saw an E63 AMG Wagon flying down the fast lane. It looked interesting to say the least.

For BMW fans, would you purchase an E91 M3 if BMW made one?

John 070 · 10-14-2008, 03:50 AM

At least marketing-wise I think it would be a bad move for BMW. They cannot sell coupes, convertibles, and sedans, it would be stupid to introduce a 4th variation. I dunno, it's like Jack Welch said, when a co. is raking in revenue and having tremendous growth, they can do anything they want. Eventually, when that growth slows, they have to come back to reality. It's like showing up for work one day a week and doing anything you want without any direction.

NewSong · 10-14-2008, 03:56 AM

Well I'm not going to debate whether it's a great financial move for the company to make another variation, not really my interest.

I just wonder how popular "performance" wagons really are seeing as how I just saw a $90,000 one zooming down the highway at triple digit speeds.

YYC Bimmer Driver · 10-14-2008, 08:27 AM

In Europe an M5 Touring is available where the market can support the variant. Unfortuantely, the cost of certification of an M touring for North American (regardless of it being a 3 or 5) will kill any possibility of us seeing one here.

BK · 10-14-2008, 08:40 AM

I'd be interested.

ATSR · 10-14-2008, 08:42 AM

I would be LOVE to have that option!

For example I've always preferred the RS4 station wagon than the sedan.

stressdoc · 10-14-2008, 08:54 AM

An E91 335 M/tii would be a wiser move. Or an E91 335d. Or an E91 320d. The E91 / touring configuration is a wonderful alternative to the SUV. In effect, it is a sedan with a little more functional room, but a touch more weight and chassis flex. That tradeoff is a good one, hence its high popularity in Europe.

Personally, I think the M should be limited to the most functional, in terms of performance, configuration. So yes, I am not in favor of the E91 M, nor especially the E93 M, and I find the idea of a X5 and X6 M appalling. Let the Cayenne or Jeep SRT8 fill that irrational niche.

NewSong · 10-14-2008, 10:39 AM

So how do you guys think the E63 AMG Wagon was approved here in the states?

It seems like people like the idea of a performance wagon. Does Mercedes just have a larger base of customers than BMW does in the U.S?

darkphantom · 10-14-2008, 11:41 AM

no.
NO.
HELL NO!

Are you the one supporting the M X-series??

SixDegrees · 10-14-2008, 12:55 PM

Not that I'm from the US, but given that I have an E91 M-Sport Touring (320d) I'd like to have the option of a proper M Touring, but if I was in the market for a high performance Tourer I'd probably go with Audi.

The 335D Tourer (mate had one before going with an E92 335D) is a rapid piece of functional kit. Tune a 335D and they'll happily keep with a stock M3 when on the move. DMS tuned 335s as something else, so although the idea appeals to me I think it wouldn't sell that well given the other options open to Touring.

darkphantom · 10-14-2008, 01:00 PM

not to mention, they already have the M5 wagon...

NewSong · 10-14-2008, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkphantom

no.
NO.
HELL NO!

Are you the one supporting the M X-series??

I don't even know what the M X-Series is.

nicknaz · 10-14-2008, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John 070

It's like showing up for work one day a week and doing anything you want without any direction.

I think that's called working for google

OP, I think people in the US would rather buy a fast truck than a fast wagon

mkoesel · 10-14-2008, 01:54 PM

Audi has no plans to bring the S4 wagon over here. In fact, they don't even bring over the V6 A4 wagon anymore. Only the base model wagon comes now, just like BMW. Performance wagons are cool but they are just too small a niche to justify the cost of bringing them to the US.

As for an E91 M3 in Europe, its really the only performance car in its segment (or the segment above) that isn't available in a wagon. There's the E63, RS6 and M5 wagons. And then there's the C63 and RS4 wagons, but no M3. Too bad for Europeans that BMW already said they have no plans to build one.

yuyue · 10-14-2008, 01:58 PM

a e63 amg?
there's a M5 touring

kred · 10-14-2008, 04:22 PM

ew wagons...

adc · 10-14-2008, 04:30 PM

Not interested. I cannot even stretch to buy the sedan, why would I want a more expensive, heavier and slower variant?

Barbera335 · 10-14-2008, 08:46 PM

In a heartbeat, I love the wagon functionality but still want performance, no offense to anyone but I think any sedan based coupe is pointless, although the E92 is beautiful. Possibly BMW's best current design. If I could afford it I would gray market an E61 M5 over to the US.

40yroldawakening · 10-14-2008, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick Nazareno

I think that's called working for google

OP, I think people in the US would rather buy a fast truck than a fast wagon

So, are you saying BMW should make a truck

Vegas · 10-15-2008, 01:08 AM

It would definitely interest me, whether I would pay out the asking price is a different matter. Too much of a niche market for them to consider it.

Exacc · 10-15-2008, 01:13 AM

The E63 is more on par with M5 touring right?

I don't think an M3 E91 would be attractive...

BMWFM · 10-15-2008, 07:38 AM

YES

...but there is little hope.

FM

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John 070 Lieutenant General 1707 Rep 14,829 Posts Drives: 335i cpe Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: ZSP/ZPP/ZCW iTrader: (0)	At least marketing-wise I think it would be a bad move for BMW. They cannot sell coupes, convertibles, and sedans, it would be stupid to introduce a 4th variation. I dunno, it's like Jack Welch said, when a co. is raking in revenue and having tremendous growth, they can do anything they want. Eventually, when that growth slows, they have to come back to reality. It's like showing up for work one day a week and doing anything you want without any direction.
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NewSong Just another jerk in a hat... 117 Rep 1,462 Posts Drives: 2005 Ford Focus Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Irvine iTrader: (0)	Well I'm not going to debate whether it's a great financial move for the company to make another variation, not really my interest. I just wonder how popular "performance" wagons really are seeing as how I just saw a $90,000 one zooming down the highway at triple digit speeds. __________________ He brought me up also out of a horrible pit, out of the miry clay, and set my feet upon a rock, and established my goings. And he hath put a new song in my mouth.
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NewSong Just another jerk in a hat... 117 Rep 1,462 Posts Drives: 2005 Ford Focus Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Irvine iTrader: (0)	So how do you guys think the E63 AMG Wagon was approved here in the states? It seems like people like the idea of a performance wagon. Does Mercedes just have a larger base of customers than BMW does in the U.S? __________________ He brought me up also out of a horrible pit, out of the miry clay, and set my feet upon a rock, and established my goings. And he hath put a new song in my mouth.
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