[SteveinArizona]

Interestingly, not a single BMW!

https://www.motortrend.com/features-...-buy/?slide=17

Best Subcompact Sedan: Kia Rio
Best Compact Sedan: Honda Insight Hybrid
Best Midsize Sedan: Honda Accord
Best Full-Size Sedan: Toyota Avalon
Best Subcompact Luxury Sedan: Mercedes-Benz CLA-Class
Best Compact Luxury Sedan: Tesla Model 3
Best Midsize Luxury Sedan: Mercedes-Benz E-Class
Best Full-Size Luxury Sedan: Audi A8

[Merami fan]

Pros: novelty
Cons: dodgy build quality
Topic: luxury car

Hmm...

[383vett]

Do they still make sedans?

[psuibmw]

They have the pics of a Honda Civic interior and exterior instead of the Insight They cannot tell the difference

[AlexFL]

cheap photo gallery that was put together in ten minutes.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by psuibmw

They have the pics of a Honda Civic interior and exterior instead of the Insight They cannot tell the difference

Exterior is the Civic too...

[Humdizzle]

Only one is available with a manual.

[Germanauto]

I disagree with their list. Once you get over the more "innovative" drivetrain of the Tesla, the 3-series is objectively a way better car.

And I don't understand why Motor Trend has such a hard on for the E-class as of late. Unless you enjoy had plastic on the lower doors and misaligned stitching on plasticky-feeling MB-Tex, the 5-series is better in every way.

[AlexFL]

Also Toyota Avalon is a complete joke. How old do you have to be to really want to buy that car? Not many people this car exists, but Kia makes a wonderful full size sedan, the K900. It comes with a seriously luxurious interior, 3.3l TT engine, and AWD. And very appropriately priced, too.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

Also Toyota Avalon is a complete joke. How old do you have to be to really want to buy that car? Not many people this car exists, but Kia makes a wonderful full size sedan, the K900. It comes with a seriously luxurious interior, 3.3l TT engine, and AWD. And very appropriately priced, too.

K900 is next size class up and close to double an Avalon's base price (202in vs 195in, $60k vs $35k) not to mention possibly discontinued at this point. Cadenza is the competitor to the Avalon. There's only 34 new K900's vs 3700+ Avalon's in the US on Autotrader, the K900 is definitely the unknown car in this case.

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

K900 is next size class up and close to double an Avalon's base price (202in vs 195in, $60k vs $35k) not to mention possibly discontinued at this point. Cadenza is the competitor to the Avalon. There's only 34 new K900's vs 3700+ Avalon's in the US on Autotrader, the K900 is definitely the unknown car in this case.

While you are correct that Cadenza is the natural competitor to the Avalon, new K900's can still be bought and done so with a massive discount (from 65k down to 52k):
e.g.: https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...4778/overview/

A top equipped Avalon TRD/Limited is 46-49k and US Toyota dealerships usually do not offer any significant discounts. So the real life price delta is really not that big.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

While you are correct that Cadenza is the natural competitor to the Avalon, new K900's can still be bought and done so with a massive discount (from 65k down to 52k):
e.g.: https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...4778/overview/

A top equipped Avalon TRD/Limited is 46-49k and US Toyota dealerships usually do not offer any significant discounts. So the real life price delta is really not that big.

You'd be surprised the Avalon is actually discounted anywhere from $4-7k before negotiations right now because of poor sales due to SUV's. Regardless, magazines are always going to use MSRP as discounts vary by many factors.

Either way, the Kia K900 was ranked, but in the Luxury Full-Size Class at #5 along with the A8, 7er, G90 and LS, etc. The Avalon was in the Mainstream Full-Size class, I'd say thats a compliment to the Kia.

[MmmmmM2]

I stopped reading at Tesla Model 3.

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

And I don't understand why Motor Trend has such a hard on for the E-class as of late. Unless you enjoy had plastic on the lower doors and misaligned stitching on plasticky-feeling MB-Tex, the 5-series is better in every way.

I will say the discotheque interior has so much going on that it distracts from the the strategically placed low rent materials.

[VisualEcho]

Originally Posted by SteveinArizona

Best Subcompact Sedan: Kia Rio

I mean, really?

I suppose their definition of "best" (a subjective term) includes terrible resale and even worse quality. Just wow. That's as bad as JD Powers and their "initial quality" test. Because, you know, we all trade cars ever 2 months.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

I will say the discotheque interior has so much going on that it distracts from the the strategically placed low rent materials.

The entire class of mid-size luxury cars have plastic below the knee level whether it be door bins or the sides of the center console. From the E-Class, to the Audi A6, Jag XF, Genesis G80, Lexus GS/ES, the 5-series, even the last $110k M850i I sat in had a cheap plastic center console and door bins. Its a pretty common standard in its class and surprisingly even classes above that feature it too.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by VisualEcho

I mean, really?

I suppose their definition of "best" (a subjective term) includes terrible resale and even worse quality. Just wow. That's as bad as JD Powers and their "initial quality" test. Because, you know, we all trade cars ever 2 months.

Its the subcompact class, these are cars for cheap transport, there's literally only 4 cars left. The Rio, Hyundai Accent, Nissan Versa, and Mitsubishi Mirage. I'd definitely say the Rio and Accent are the best there. The Fit, Yaris, Sonic and Fiesta are all discontinued.

[VisualEcho]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

Its the subcompact class, these are cars for cheap transport, there's literally only 4 cars left. The Rio, Hyundai Accent, Nissan Versa, and Mitsubishi Mirage. I'd definitely say the Rio and Accent are the best there. The Fit, Yaris, Sonic and Fiesta are all discontinued.

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It'll be a cold day in hell before Kia surpasses Nissan.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by VisualEcho

It'll be a cold day in hell before Kia surpasses Nissan.

Really? I can't think of a modern Nissan product that I would take over the equivalent Hyundai/Kia. Nissan has been pretty mediocre and falling in reliability for some years now while Hyundai/Kia have been thriving and getting better.

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

Really? I can't think of a modern Nissan product that I would take over the equivalent Hyundai/Kia. Nissan has been pretty mediocre and falling in reliability for some years now while Hyundai/Kia have been thriving and getting better.

Yes, especially Kia. Hyundai tend to look a bit weirdish these days.

[Crazyprac]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

Really? I can't think of a modern Nissan product that I would take over the equivalent Hyundai/Kia. Nissan has been pretty mediocre and falling in reliability for some years now while Hyundai/Kia have been thriving and getting better.

I agree. Not one Nissan model interest me. Kia and Hyundai really elevated their line up over the years. Heck I'll rather pick their selections over some honda and toyota models.

[VisualEcho]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

Really?

Really.

Regardless of how pretty something is, it'll first have to get you to where you're going, and second bring some sort of return when you're changing it for something else.

Kia is much better than they used to be, but still overall trash compared to Nissan.