[Sublime00]

[RugbyBro]

I think the key take away here is stop thinking your car is faster than it is LOL

[stein_325i]

Great video, and 100% agreed with Jason's points. Honestly the 0-60 and horsepower wars have become so absurd.

He also posted a great clip on his instagram showing how a Subaru Outback reacts differently to a normal launch vs being brake boosted, holding its "gears" (CVT) longer to reduce the time.

[SteveinArizona]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

Great video, and 100% agreed with Jason's points. Honestly the 0-60 and horsepower wars have become so absurd.

He also posted a great clip on his instagram showing how a Subaru Outback reacts differently to a normal launch vs being brake boosted, holding its "gears" (CVT) longer to reduce the time.

I don't think this is like the diesel scandal. The car will behave the same way if driven in the same way whether being tested or simply being used. On the other hand, the diesel gimmick was to change the way the car exhausted noxious gases only when it was being tested.

[JJ 911SC]

I had a Honda Odyssey and I did smoke some ricer punk.

Should have seem their face when we hit the next light.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

Great video, and 100% agreed with Jason's points. Honestly the 0-60 and horsepower wars have become so absurd.

He also posted a great clip on his instagram showing how a Subaru Outback reacts differently to a normal launch vs being brake boosted, holding its "gears" (CVT) longer to reduce the time.

Subaru was a huge misleader in this area. There was a time that they knew their HP was down significantly compared to their competitors and their company line, in their literature and from their salespersons, was "don't focus on the HP, focus on the 0-60".

The way they were getting those 0-60 numbers was AWD clutch-drop launches. Yep, you can use the engine like a giant fly-wheel and then just slam it in and let all four wheels rocket you forward. It works...until you break the clutch and trans. It was completely deceptive. The same cars would struggle 5-60 or in passing.

[SenorFunkyPants]

FYi...the times supplied by Euro car manufacturers are all 0-60 without any roll out.
Same...Typical euro magazine tests.
Sure any sensible car manufacturer is going to go to some lengths to ensure their test car is in perfect working order...but these days getting caught out in any sort of cheating would carry a high penalty so...
In past times certainly a few manufacturers (ooh look at that dancing black horse in that field) were renown for having cars loaned to journalists that produced acceleration figures way faster than customer cars could match.

I would have though 0-100mph is a better metric as is a laptime at the Nürburgring.
https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/nordschleife
The F90 M5C at #88 has some good company.

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

Subaru was a huge misleader in this area. There was a time that they knew their HP was down significantly compared to their competitors and their company line, in their literature and from their salespersons, was "don't focus on the HP, focus on the 0-60".

The way they were getting those 0-60 numbers was AWD clutch-drop launches. Yep, you can use the engine like a giant fly-wheel and then just slam it in and let all four wheels rocket you forward. It works...until you break the clutch and trans. It was completely deceptive. The same cars would struggle 5-60 or in passing.

My STI was balls slow off the line unless you were sidestepping the clutch which of course is hard on the drivetrain. Really 0-60 mph is a magazine number bragging rights stat that virtually useless in all circumstances of driving unless you are drag racing. 5-60 mph is more telling of how a vehicle behaves in real traffic from a stop and 1/4 mile, trap speed times are a more accurate measurement of straight line speed.

[RM7]

Even 1/4 isn’t all that telling, small diameter turbos that spook fast plus awd can have deceivingly decent 1/4 times, but are totally out of breath at the end. The trap speed at the end really tells that story better. This is where you start seeing the effects of drivetrain drag start to compound for the awd that doesn’t have the power to back it up.

[pz619]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

5-60 mph is more telling of how a vehicle behaves in real traffic from a stop and 1/4 mile, trap speed times are a more accurate measurement of straight line speed.

Yep, exactly this. The 5-60 is more real world. Some cars lose a second and a half in this metric. The s2k I had was a great example of this. 0-60 was mid 5s, but the 5-60 was about 7 seconds. The only way you would achieve that 0-60 figure was basically with a 6K clutch drop. No one in their right mind would do that regularly.

Side note: Great to see Jason back on Youtube

[AlexFL]

0-60 is stupid and depends on many factors, including road and tire conditions, how well you can execute launch control, and much more.

60-130 mph or 100-200 kmh is a great way to test your car's performance.

[RugbyBro]

The first 30 sec of this video pretty much sums up how most people like to use 0-69 numbers

[JJ 911SC]

2.6 Sec in Launch Control.

50 back to back L.C. in a row to celebrate the 911 50th anniversary.

https://www.carthrottle.com/post/the...hard-launches/

[Donatello.]

I've done 3.2 seconds to 60 in my Hellcat stock so I'm good

[Psychotic Mouse]

What about cars that are quicker 0-60 than the manufacturers claims? Is that also cheating? Or modesty?

I think a true reflection of power is 1km times and exit speed. And 100-200kph times.

[383vett]

I like 0-1320'

[VisualEcho]

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

Subaru was a huge misleader in this area. There was a time that they knew their HP was down significantly compared to their competitors and their company line, in their literature and from their salespersons, was "don't focus on the HP, focus on the 0-60".

The way they were getting those 0-60 numbers was AWD clutch-drop launches. Yep, you can use the engine like a giant fly-wheel and then just slam it in and let all four wheels rocket you forward. It works...until you break the clutch and trans. It was completely deceptive. The same cars would struggle 5-60 or in passing.

It depends on which Subaru you are talking about. My '05 STi was brilliant, very strong, and reliable from day 1 until I sold it, and only struggled above 145 mph.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by VisualEcho

It depends on which Subaru you are talking about. My '05 STi was brilliant, very strong, and reliable from day 1 until I sold it, and only struggled above 145 mph.

You realize those dynoed around 230-240whp, right?

Fun cars, short gearing and turbo meant you could work the gears at lower speeds, but those are some of the best examples of what I was talking about. I had a WRX. I know how high those RPMs buzzed on the highway.

If you kept it, you would have had to take the block out and rebuild it at some point, due to the nature and design of it.

[VisualEcho]

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

You realize those dynoed around 230-240whp, right?

Drivetrain loss is significant in an AWD car, and mine was no different, but in my normal mod-spirit (OEM+), my car ran very well with just an exhaust and professional tune. The car ran 7.9 in the 8th (I don't have a local ¼) with countless 1.6 60-ft times in the 36,000 miles I had it, and I never had any issues other than a turbo oil-feed line crack, which was created by the down-pipe hanger cracking, causing excess movement. A quick fix anyway.

And BTW, my 0-60 was good enough to best almost any car at the track, and on the street...even with the impossibly short 1st gear.

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

If you kept it, you would have had to take the block out and rebuild it at some point, due to the nature and design of it.

The car has had 3 owners, and is just over 95K miles at the moment...without a rebuild...and on the stock clutch.

Careful with your Subaru racism, NASIOC has colored your judgement, and not in the best of ways.

[RM7]

Yeah, I know that many that make it to 100k and past. That doesn’t change the reality of the engine design. Your times, especially because we are taking short distances, are the result of turbo+awd, it’s exactly the situation being described here, where the car isn’t going to have nearly as much top end and passing power.

These cars can do 5k clutch drops described above (although with what frequency is the question) to nail good “0-60” times. Rolling 5-60 and passing numbers are more indicative of its performance at speed.

[AlexFL]

Will there be a new WRX or Evo soon?

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

Will there be a new WRX or Evo soon?

New WRX is due soon.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...onfirmed-2022/