[J50]

Amazing that BMW continues to use low quality leather. Like vernasca, absolute garbage leather. The 22 Santa Fe Calligraphy just picked up, has nappa leather that blows away the leather in my 19 X3. Same crap you’ll find in $70k+ BMWs. At least make nappa a $1k option. Like other models.

Vernasca is durable though! 😂

[RigaTony1982]

Maybe I’m not classy enough, but I like the Vernasca leather in my car. I find the seats comfortable and I think it looks nice enough (I’ve gotten multiple comments from people thinking the seats look cool with the blue stitching I have).

Your argument about the Santa Fe can be said about a lot of cars though. About 5 years ago my wife had a -$30K Acura ILX that had standard adaptive cruise, blind spot, heated seats etc. that you pay extra for on the BMW. I know I can get the same or more content for cheaper by going with a nice Honda or Toyota, but the driving experience isn’t the same IMO.

Edited for grammar.

[J50]

Originally Posted by RigaTony1982

Maybe I’m not classy enough, but I like the Vernasca leather in my car. I find the seats comfortable and I think it looks nice enough (I’ve gotten multiple comments from people thinking the seats look cool with the blue stitching I have).

Your argument about the Santa Fe can be said about a lot of cars though. About 5 years ago my wife had a -$30K Acura ILX that had standard adaptive cruise, blind spot, heated seats etc. that you pay extra for on the BMW. I know I can get the same or more content for cheaper by going with a nice Honda or Toyota, but the driving experience isn’t the same IMO.

Edited for grammar.

The Santa Fe wasn’t cheap, it uses a 2.5L T with 281hp/311lb torque. It’s quick, has a lot of features. Drives well, obv it’s not a BMW driving dynamics wise.

But vernasca is low quality, maybe a tad better than Dakota. But not much. More power to people who like it, but at least make nappa an optional on 3/4.

[RigaTony1982]

Originally Posted by J50

The Santa Fe wasn’t cheap, it uses a 2.5L T with 281hp/311lb torque. It’s quick, has a lot of features. Drives well, obv it’s not a BMW driving dynamics wise.

But vernasca is low quality, maybe a tad better than Dakota. But not much. More power to people who like it, but at least make nappa an optional on 3/4.

Sorry, wasn’t trying to imply the Santa Fe was cheap. They’re nice cars, as are most Hyundai’s. Was just trying to say they’re typically a step down from a BMW, but you do get more for your money for sure.

I do agree it wouldn’t hurt to offer the Nappa on the 3/4. I would have loved ventilated seats on my 3 as well. No idea why they don’t offer that type of stuff when it can be had on much cheaper vehicles.

[Burrcold]

You can option Merino leather in almost every market...but the US.

[J50]

Originally Posted by RigaTony1982

Sorry, wasn’t trying to imply the Santa Fe was cheap. They’re nice cars, as are most Hyundai’s. Was just trying to say they’re typically a step down from a BMW, but you do get more for your money for sure.

I do agree it wouldn’t hurt to offer the Nappa on the 3/4. I would have loved ventilated seats on my 3 as well. No idea why they don’t offer that type of stuff when it can be had on much cheaper vehicles.

I hear you, was just making point that a $45k Hyundai uses nicer leather than $65k+ BMW. Even 21 M550 just got rid of, vernasca is standard. But nappa is available.

Then again, these companies are pushing fake leather now. I’ll take vernasca any day over Sensatec.

[themnmd]

Originally Posted by Burrcold

You can option Merino leather in almost every market...but the US.

It would be nice to have as an option, can't even get as individual ! You can get get a $5000 paint job but not $1000 for better leather

[PLF69]

Originally Posted by themnmd

It would be nice to have as an option, can't even get as individual ! You can get get a $5000 paint job but not $1000 for better leather

I have it in my Canadian car (Fiona Red) and it does make a big difference in quality feel. My friend does not and just with the eye you can see the difference.

I guess BMW N/A made that decision for a reason and I'd be curious to know why..

[J50]

Originally Posted by themnmd

It would be nice to have as an option, can't even get as individual ! You can get get a $5000 paint job but not $1000 for better leather

Yeah I don’t get it, they have it avail on 5 series. Why not 3/4? They’re not inexpensive models. The new C class coming out you can get Nappa as an option.

They make Sensatec standard. Then $1450 for Vernasca. Thinking your getting a great upgrade. It’s better, but not that much.

[RigaTony1982]

Originally Posted by J50

Yeah I don’t get it, they have it avail on 5 series. Why not 3/4? They’re not inexpensive models. The new C class coming out you can get Nappa as an option.

They make Sensatec standard. Then $1450 for Vernasca. Thinking your getting a great upgrade. It’s better, but not that much.

I wasn't impressed with the Sensatec on the 2021 model. I'm wondering if the new perforated type on the 2022's is better. At least they now offer other colors besides black this year.

[SteveinArizona]

Originally Posted by J50

Yeah I don’t get it, they have it avail on 5 series. Why not 3/4? They’re not inexpensive models. The new C class coming out you can get Nappa as an option.

They make Sensatec standard. Then $1450 for Vernasca. Thinking your getting a great upgrade. It’s better, but not that much.

The inability to get Nappa on a 3 series drove me, regretfully, to a 5 series because I really disliked the Dakota.

To me, the principal reason for getting a BMW is the car's performance. BMWs have never been industry leading on design. But now that the designs are getting ugly, and BMW doesn't let smaller cars get nice options, the reasons for getting a BMW are getting narrower and narrower; can the better performance make up for the missing features and ugly designs?

[J50]

Originally Posted by SteveinArizona

The inability to get Nappa on a 3 series drove me, regretfully, to a 5 series because I really disliked the Dakota.

To me, the principal reason for getting a BMW is the car's performance. BMWs have never been industry leading on design. But now that the designs are getting ugly, and BMW doesn't let smaller cars get nice options, the reasons for getting a BMW are getting narrower and narrower; can the better performance make up for the missing features and ugly designs?

Understood and I agree, that’s why got the M550. But the issue is, there isn’t much else out there like a 3/4 series. C class, Lexus IS350/500, Cadillac CT4/V, Audi A4/S4. To name few.

Not much else to consider if want a 4 series coupe or convertible.