08-13-2021, 02:30 PM | #1 |
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Hello x7 people! Popping over from M5 land since I'm strongly considering switching to an X7.
I truly love my '21 M5, one of the best cars I've ever owned. However, my wife and I just got our 3yo twins in school along with my 4 and 6 yr old kids. The dilemma stems from my wife being a physician who works overnights meaning that I'll usually take the kids to school before I go to work and she'll usually pick them up in the afternoon when she wakes up. We currently only have one vehicle big enough to haul all of them at once (Escalade ESV), but due to our schedules, having 2 kid-haul-capable cars will make life easier. So with some degree of sadness, I'd love some input on a few items: 1) any thoughts on whether dual captain chair/3rd row bench configuration is suitable for routine use, especially since 3 kids are in fwd facing car seats (6yo has a low profile booster)? 2) m50i vs 40i? I get that the v8 is fun, but after the brutal power of the M5, does it even matter? Despite eating a ton on depreciation, present value of the M5 should transfer pretty close to net neutral for a well-spec'd x7 (my car is fully optioned incl. competition pkg), I'm just trying to figure out if that's really the right vehicle for my needs. Thanks for reading, and TIA for any advice on the topic. |
08-13-2021, 03:28 PM | #2 |
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I have an M2CS and recently added a X7 40i to replace our smaller, non-BMW SUV. I personally didn’t drive an m50i X7 but as others on here have mentioned in other threads, the 40i is plenty engine for a daily driver, family hauler. Unless you’re going to tow a lot of weight, The 40i is plenty. (And can tow quite a bit comfortably so others have said here.)
I would think go for the bench seating for two reasons. 3x kids can all fit in the 2nd row without needing to wait/fold 2nd row for access to 3rd row. Also, the bench seating provides a better “max cargo” arrangement from what I’ve seen. The captains chairs do not fold all the way flat. I went bench seating for cargo reasons. They’re super comfortable seats as well with great functionality, reclining, movement, etc. The X7 is such a smooth ride and what I like to consider, the other side of BMW. Don’t get me wrong, I love my M2CS and the M division is where my heart is. It’s just not the best for long cruising or daily driving IMO, especially here in the Northeast. The X7 is so comfortable, quiet and a bit more under the radar. As much as I’d like to drive an M car everyday all day, there’s something to be said about comfort and utility. (Especially with a family and young ones.) The X7 is a great vehicle. To me, those looking to combine both sides of BMW in one vehicle, I’d go Alpina. They really do seem to be tailored to “the best of both BMW worlds.” Last edited by DM2CS; 08-13-2021 at 03:41 PM.. |
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08-13-2021, 05:47 PM | #3 |
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My three kids were out of car seats when we got our X7, so I can't comment on the seat configuration. There are other threads on this forum that discuss various car seat configurations and experiences. We've got the bench seating and love it.
Coming from an M5, I would get a nicely optioned M50i. It's a beast for its weight. Get DHP, as it makes the car much more agile. If you want more power and additional refinement, you might want to consider the XB7. My friend has one, and it can get up and go, but the M50i is no slouch by any stretch of the imagination. All and all, the X7 is the best all-around vehicle I've owned. You can't go wrong with the 40i, but I'd recommend the M50i. Good luck! |
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08-13-2021, 06:32 PM | #4 |
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I think you'll really enjoy the X7. BMW really did a good job making them.
The 40i has plenty of power for the vehicle, and I would have been fine with one. However, if you have an M5c, I suspect you're a power junkie like some of us. I went for an M50i for several reasons, and the power is really great. Think you'd be happy with a 40i, and an M50i would just be that much better
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08-13-2021, 08:58 PM | #5 |
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This is all helpful input. I'm not 100% sure I'll go for an x7 swap but I have started a conversation with my SA and will schedule a test drive… probably makes sense to start a test drive with an m50i- I'm sure the 40i is a beautiful smooth ride, but given the abundance of rural backroads where I live, I doubt I'd look back.
I reviewed a few threads regarding seat configurations and couldn't figure out how a bench 2nd row would work with car seats installed. Anyway, there's no substitute for checking this all out in person… the hard part will be deciding if I can really part with the m5. After a week or two of switching back and forth from my wife's Escalade (which is basically a terrible vehicle) I'll know for sure if I need a better big rig of my own. |
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08-14-2021, 12:24 AM | #7 |
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the 40i feels fine until you realize the lack of urgency in the first little bit of pedal travel is present with your foot planted. it feels downright lethargic after getting out of something like an m5 and that's just irritating.
just because most suv's can't or won't perform doesn't mean you should compromise when the 8cyl with dhp makes daily driving so effortless
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If you were adding the X7 to your fleet, I would say 40i since you can always get your speed "itch" from the M5 when you want. But since the X7 will be replacing your M5 as your daily, I would recommend the M50i for your situation. The M50i is NOT an M5, not even close - as you will see on your test drive. But I know the M50i is still a beast (and I have not even test driven one ). And, based on your description of your situation, having the M50 to replace your M5 will feel like less of a sacrifice than a 40i would (the things we do for our kids - the little ingrates ). I very briefly considered the M50i partially due to the "power", but I already have an M3 to scratch the power itch so it was hard for me to justify it (which is why I did not even test drive it ).
As far as the seating configuration goes, I don't have any little ones anymore, but if I were you I would go for the bench based on the better max cargo capability. You can never have too much room when it comes to kids. That is why I went with the bench. Good luck!
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The M5 is not a small light weight car and coming from a M5 you absolutely need to go with the X7M50i because it’s about using power and suspension to hide its size. It is night and day more powerful at any rpm or speed than the 40i. It just is and there is no way getting around that V8TT. This is not taking away from the 40i but it’s Apples vs Oranges. You ask “Does it matter?”, well a 5 series is a midsize sedan and not a sports car and you could have just got a 530i with a I-4 cyl or even a 540 6 cyl instead of a M5 in the same mid size sedan but………
The M50i will still have the same amount of torque as your M5 but with 525hp. With DHP the X7M50i is “fun” to drive because if your use to a performance car, it’s shocking how the big X7 magically hides its size in the corners. In a way it’s far more impressive doing this in a full size SUV than in a sports car. I go from a 911 to a M2C to my X7M50i and I get just as much of a smile as one of its unique characteristics as it hides higher speeds better by how smooth and quiet the ride is. The feeling of how fast you think you are really going is gone in the X7. 90mph in the X7 feels like 50mph in the 911. Last edited by MystroX5; 08-14-2021 at 07:55 AM.. |
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Thanks thanks MystroX5 , you've got my number with the need for speed… I think the initial thought of leaving my M5 for a larger less exciting vehicle was a bit depressing, hence the "does it matter" sentiment re: 40i vs 50i. I'll consider that part of my puzzle is solved… any switch I make will have to involve the m50i. I'll be keeping my supercharged corvette, so if I really need sub 3-second 0-60 kicks and opening up on backroads, I can get it.
The more I think about it the more I'm getting on board with the idea an x7 may be in the near future. |
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08-14-2021, 02:49 PM | #12 |
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My 2020 X7 has captain seats. I have twin 7 year olds in backless boosters, an 11 year old and a 13 year old. Car is perfect for them! They def did not want bench seating and hop over the arms to go in the back.
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There is a thread in here where someone went through the steps to remove the captain chairs armrests, if access to the third row without waiting for the electric fold process (both bench and captains have a really slow electric process) is important, then that may be the way to go.
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08-14-2021, 06:54 PM | #14 |
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Here is the thread: https://g07.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...captain+chairs
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08-15-2021, 02:05 AM | #15 |
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To MystroX5's point, the M50i's performance creeps up on you. I was driving to get some food tonight and looked down to see that I was doing 65 in a 35, to my surprise. I wasn't pushing the car in any way, shape, or form. Like your M5, when you ask it to move, it similes.
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I agree, the M50i is very deceiving when it comes to speed. It’s so smooth both my wife and I have cruised at 85mph and didn’t realize it until you look at the speedometer. It really doesn’t feel like you are going that fast and I still wonder if my speedometer is off.
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I looked into the 50i and 40i. Ended up with the 40i. I thought it was a little sluggish on highway and added the JB4 for a little added boost. Worked wonders for me and got the power up to where I wanted. I too went with captain chairs. We only have 1 newborn but I think x7 with be the larger SUV we continue to get. The tech alone knocks it out of the park from everything in its class and the drivability and aesthetics are also next to none.
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Similar story. My 17 year old daughter joined me for part of my massive road trip from PCD to Alaska. On one remote stretch, I snuck the speed up, blocked her view of the dash, and asked her how fast we were going. She guessed "75 mph" and then was shocked at the real speed. Nowhere close. I won't say what it really was, but I'll say the first digit had been "1" for some time.
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08-15-2021, 05:19 PM | #20 |
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0-60 M50i is faster by 0.6 sec (5.2 vs 5.8).
25000$ price diff divided by 0.6 = $41,000 per sec :-) Yes, people don’t buy M50is or M cars by doing above calculations. Thrill and satisfaction has no price. I thought I would share my perspective. How fast or hard r u going to drive on the backroads as you say? A rhetorical question of course. |
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I've been driving a M340i for almost 2 years now, and we just added a X7 40i to the fleet. Obviously I miss the power of the M340i when driving the X7, but the X7 never feels like it is really lacking power. I'm sure that difference is going to be even more pronounced between your M5 and any X7. As others have said, the 40i is definitely powerful enough for the car. However, if you had the budget for the M5 and you're getting rid of it anyway, just splurge and get the X7 M50i. I don't know about you, but if I got the 40i and the M50i was a realistic possibility, I would constantly be thinking "I should've just gotten the M50i."
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