No more carbon roofs??!!

KANdaddy · 02-01-2022, 04:11 PM

Just spoke to my SA. Apparently BMW is soon deleting carbon roofs due to shortage. Can anyone in-the-know confirm?

GGG333 · 02-01-2022, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by KANdaddy

Just spoke to my SA. Apparently BMW is soon deleting carbon roofs due to shortage. Can anyone in-the-know confirm?

Holy shit lol I did not hear about this.

HolyChitMeng · 02-01-2022, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by KANdaddy

Just spoke to my SA. Apparently BMW is soon deleting carbon roofs due to shortage. Can anyone in-the-know confirm?

I was just told this by my SA also

KnightedBMW · 02-01-2022, 04:12 PM

Wow. That’s a BIG deal!

KANdaddy · 02-01-2022, 04:13 PM

The good news…my build got in OK

Vishal50028 · 02-01-2022, 04:22 PM

Wow. That's gonna put a dent in demand

MMM.PWR · 02-01-2022, 04:25 PM

What's next.. the seats?

G80indy · 02-01-2022, 04:33 PM

Moonroof is default now?

yousefnjr · 02-01-2022, 04:41 PM

Damn. Ironic that you could be forced into a sunroof during the Motorsport Anniversary year

s58 · 02-01-2022, 04:43 PM

Wow. 50th anniversary my a**

chicagofan00 · 02-01-2022, 04:45 PM

😳

Ibiza · 02-01-2022, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MMM.PWR

What's next.. the seats?

The S58 engine is next😂

Rayien · 02-01-2022, 04:50 PM

that finds it hard to believe, considering its one of the defining features for the car :/

vj123 · 02-01-2022, 05:14 PM

I spoke to my CA today and he didnt specify that my build would be affected.

If laser lights or carbon roof is removed from my build, i will be cancelling my order.

fvfvsix · 02-01-2022, 05:19 PM

I'm gonna go ahead and call BS on that one, as there are no electronic components in the carbon roof (as opposed to the ones in the moonroof, which I know they are limited in supply on). Also, BMW owns the CFRP plant where the roofs are made, as far as I can remember. They would have to plan poorly to have less supply of those than, say, exhaust flap controllers.

'Cane · 02-01-2022, 05:24 PM

Yeah, IF this is true, it’s just poor planning on BMWs part, which I can definitely see being the case, especially after the QC disaster that I (and a bunch of others) am going through.

vj123 · 02-01-2022, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by fvfvsix

I'm gonna go ahead and call BS on that one, as there are no electronic components in the carbon roof (as opposed to the ones in the moonroof, which I know they are limited in supply on). Also, BMW owns the CFRP plant where the roofs are made, as far as I can remember. They would have to plan poorly to have less supply of those than, say, exhaust flap controllers.

There are tons of issues in the auto industry due to supply chain issues and factory shut down. So its not just limited to semi conductors.

Two different CAs might not report the same thing without any smoke. In the current market, there are chances that it might happen.

MCM4 · 02-01-2022, 05:37 PM

No idea where BMW gets the carbon parts. Someone posted BMW owns the carbon fiber plant. I can say for certain the carbon pieces are massively constrained on the Cadillac Blackwing I have on order. My M order is already in, I want the carbon roof for sure!

modat · 02-01-2022, 05:58 PM

It doesn't help that bmw is putting carbon fiber on everything.

That sucks if this is true though.

KANdaddy · 02-01-2022, 06:00 PM

I'm only sharing what my SA told me. Not claiming truth or not. That said, if BMW does own the CFRP plant, I am doubting that they manufacture the actual ingredients for the roof....just mold and assemble is my guess. So if there is significant shortage of the ingredients needed to make the roof, it's feasible that could cause the shortage.

fvfvsix · 02-01-2022, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by KANdaddy

I'm only sharing what my SA told me. Not claiming truth or not. That said, if BMW does own the CFRP plant, I am doubting that they manufacture the actual ingredients for the roof....just mold and assemble is my guess. So if there is significant shortage of the ingredients needed to make the roof, it's feasible that could cause the shortage.

Yeah - I totally understand that your SA is the one making the claim. And, it is totally plausible that they have run out of base nylon fiber or resin to make the CFRP with, but the same resin manufacturers also supply other industries, and they've been out of the woods for a while now, production wise.

If you want to know the rough mechanics of the supply chain for the roofs, here is a good start:

https://www.bmw.com/en/performance/c...-in-a-car.html

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The carbon fiber reinforced polymer is produced in Germany at the BMW production facilities in Leipzig and Landshut. The fibers themselves are first manufactured at Moses Lake in the US, while the base structure, also known as the semi-finished fiber product or stacks, is produced in Wackersdorf, Germany.

I mean, could be anything - but roof choice is likely a substitution too far. It is for me anyway.

madpistol · 02-01-2022, 06:25 PM

Am I the only one that isn't really bothered by this? Yes, the carbon fiber roof is really nice, but it's not a deal breaker for me. Now, if they were to get rid of the specialized frame, bigger/beefier tires, specialized suspension, nicer seats or most important of all, the S58 engine, ANY of those would be a deal breaker for me.

Also, if the carbon fiber roof is deleted, I would expect about a $1000 reduction in price.

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