[Mr Burt]

So the retire plan is going well.
The wife has finished and is now working with animals so all is good.
I finish next March and the Motorhome should be with us that spring, so plan A is on track.
Now should I go for it and have a Boxster GTS for a few years and enjoy myself? The depreciation is negligible and money in the bank is just dead at the moment also fancy having a convertible again.
I have specked a GTS, manual, white, red interior and little else and before approaching a Porsche dealer, which may or may not be a chore, what’s peoples thoughts on the Boxster GTS and experiences of lead times and Porsche dealers generally.

[kzg1969]

Your thought process is similar to mine, though I'm a few years behind!

Can't help much, but depreciation will be higher than you think after running costs are factored in??? Plus porsche trad-in not that good, and selling private hard?

Only alternative is an mx5 IMO.

Interesting to see what others think

[moonshine]

18 months+ lead time on new 718 Boxster / Cayman GTS 4.0😭 (and other models)

You will place a deposit with a dealer and they will let Porsche Germany know you are looking for a built slot, but you won't get a guaranteed slot (allocation) from Porsche Germany for maybe about a year... Whenever they decide to release build slotd

I'm loving my 718 S 2.5L 350hp.
I got this for £44K from a Porsche dealer with 2yrs 6 months Porsche warranty, November 2016 build with 23k miles

[Sennen]

As above, you are in for a long wait.

My sons 992 GTS is unlikely to arrive in the next 12 months and they are unwilling to even commit to a guess on my Turbo S.

I am on the verge of cancelling my Turbo S order and take a look at the used market or maybe even revisiting Ferrari. It really is a riduculous situation.

Good luck but I reckon even on a Boxter you will be unlikely to see it much before 2024.

[EvilDrPorkChop]

I was about to say your best way is used like moonshine suggests.

From what i've gathered from my ownership so far, working with my dealership, and getting involved with the Club is that if you want anything new you have to have a good relationship with your dealership. That's in, that you've previously bought from them, used them for servicing or already have a Porsche. Macan's are maybe the exception, as they seem to get a few coming through.

[JustChris]

GTS 4.0 big yes
Might be 12 months depending on the dealer🤯 Nice spec☀️

[davyk31]

No harm in getting a deposit down and on the waiting list. Deposit is fully refundable if you change your mind.

[coonz]

Enquired about a Macan GTS just before the new year. Depending on spec, can be eighteen months before delivery.

[f1swk]

managed to put an order in before the release of the 911 gts was anounced,delivered march this year.
what a machine,i can see how the media rave about these now,
plus it seems to be a sensible place to put some cash as depreciation will be minimal for the next few years due to all the supply issues

[Tengocity]

The cars are great, and I don't think anyone would be disappointed with it.

But as can be seen from comments already Porsche are like the Rolex of the car world. Slick marketing machine plus supply less than demand, which means a bit of luck or arse lube is required to get the more popular models.

It does make for good residuals compared to BMWs, however probably not as good as you'd think initially looking at dealer selling prices. Because they've got people over a barrel, and keen to stay on the good books they offer appalling trade in prices, with huge margins between trade and showroom. I know of someone with an almost new GT4 pdk, which would retail for over £100k, being offered high 70's as a trade in for a Newish Turbo. I get that companies have to make some money, but over £20k/20% on a used car is taking the piss.

I've enquired about new purchases, and categorically been told by my local OPC in Perth that I need to become a regular customer to even be considered for a GT car allocation.

I've actually found the Reading dealership that's owned by Porsche UK to be the best to deal with.

It's only going to get worse this year as one of thr major suppliers was in Ukraine. It's the wiring looms I believe, and a complex part to get from elsewhere.

Used prices are high, and the supply issues would suggest that it'll stay that way, but I think it depends on just how interest rates and inflation goes, if we have a proper recession etc…

[pmgreenwood]

Originally Posted by davyk31

No harm in getting a deposit down and on the waiting list. Deposit is fully refundable if you change your mind.

+1 with this

The used market is high at present due to long waiting times for new. if you want a car for 18 months 2 years time putting a refundable deposit down now makes sense. Some would even put deposits down with a few dealers to increase the chance of getting a car within the required timescale.

I strongly suspect the current 718 range are the last ICE Porsche mid engine sports cars, the current engines being diificult to move to EU 7 standards and known Porsche have an EV replacement in development.

I have however read a few reviews that the 4.0 GTS 718's are too high geared for UK legal road use and some who have traded in their previous 2.5 lit 4 cyl GTS 's with strong mid range turbo torque have regretted the move to the 4.0 non turbo 6 cyl

[EvilDrPorkChop]

Originally Posted by Tengocity

But over £20k/20% on a used car is taking the piss.

I think that's the norm, especially with Porsche. They have to put them through the workshop to a high level and run the dealership. I think on mine they had at least a £10k mark up and that's just a standard Cayman. In the grand scheme of things it would of only been another £6k for me to get into a new one if I was prepared to wait the 18 months. But the demand is there so they can justify the high prices.

[moonshine]

I reckon they worked on an something like an £8k margin on my car - but £1,600 of that is OPC warranty and Assist (that is billed separately from the car price)
As long s you go in with your eyes open….
I paid £44k for my porsche warrantied 5yr old 718S (23k miles) vs £66k list

[moonshine]

Originally Posted by pmgreenwood

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I have however read a few reviews that the 4.0 GTS 718's are too high geared for UK legal road use and some who have traded in their previous 2.5 lit 4 cyl GTS 's with strong mid range turbo torque have regretted the move to the 4.0 non turbo 6 cyl

The 2.5L 718 GTS has only 15HP (365hp @ 6,500rpm / 420 Nm @ 1900-5500 rpm) more than the 718S (350hp @ 6,500RPM / 420 Nm @ 2100-4500 rpm) Vs the 718 GRS 4.0 with 394hp@ 7,000rpm, with 420 Nm @ 5000 - 6500 rpm.

The manual GTS 4.0 is very long geared - getting to 82mph in 2nd whilst the 4.0L cyl sound lovely, how often can you get >5K to bring it on song…? (And keep licence / not go to Jail!)

The 2.5L motor in the 718 is plenty strong enough for the road and the turbo makes the torque accessible from a low level.

GTS 4.0 Gearing in 6sp MT and 7sp PDK
Gear MT PDK
1 48.5 44.1
2 82.2 75.1
3 113.9 104.1
4 141.5 132.2
5 168.7 159.3
6 196.9 195.5 (Top Speed - Drag Limited ~ 188 mph)
7 N/A 279.1 (Overdrive in PDK - Top speed would be in sixth for both MT and PDK)

This carwow drag race was very interesting
the Base PDK 2.0L Cayman gives the manual 4.0 GT4 a run for its money with only 300 hp at 7500rpm / 380 Nm @ 2150-4500 rpm vs 420hp @7600rpm , 420 Nm @ 5000-6800 rpm for the GT4
It would have been interesting to see what the 2.5L 718 S would have done with 50hp extra and 40NM more torque - te suspicion is it would have beaten the GT4…

[davyk31]

Trade in prices with Porsche dealers can be appalling but no obligation to sell to them and there are many prestige used car dealers who are desperate for nice Porsche models. The only time you need to play the Porsche game which means trading in to them and using their finance is if you want to get a chance for a GT car allocation. For most that is unlikely so you don’t need to play their games.

[robwils]

Originally Posted by moonshine

I reckon they worked on an something like an £8k margin on my car - but £1,600 of that is OPC warranty and Assist (that is billed separately from the car price)
As long s you go in with your eyes open….
I paid £44k for my porsche warrantied 5yr old 718S (23k miles) vs £66k list

Yes been looking at various Porsches recently (amongst lots of other things ) and paying that much of % of list price is a little off putting for me at the moment, suppose there’s always a plus side.

The GFV’s always seem on the low side to me , which along with there high APR makes the monthlies seem high when compared to other marques.

Yours looks a very nice .

To be honest when you do go into a dealership it’s very difficult to tell the age of the cars unless you know the models quite well …

[Mr Burt]

Thanks for the replies folks.
I will send my build code off to my local dealer and see what the response is, if any.
Appreciate the comments and all are not too far short of what I anticipated.
The 4.0 GTS long geared issue is an interesting one, but nothing that will put me off as a manual and if I am going to throw some money into a special car for me then it has to be a Porsche.
I will wait the reply from the dealer. I am avoiding dropping in as I cannot abide patronising sales people at the best of times, let alone ones that might not even be interested in taking my money.
To be continued…….

[f1swk]

maybe worth asking about a 911 allocation,the expected delivery of a cayman gts 4.0 when i enquired last year was late 2024,christ knows what it is now.

the 911 gts wait was less as porsche were prioritising gt3,gts as they are the most profitable for them.

the price rises in the 2 year wait could be significant as well

[moonshine]

Plus 2024 is the last year of the 718 ICE.
It is borderline whether any new order 718 GTS 4.0 will actually bet made before production stops and switches to the EV`

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by moonshine

Plus 2024 is the last year of the 718 ICE.
It is borderline whether any new order 718 GTS 4.0 will actually bet made before production stops and switches to the EV`

Shudder

[JD6]

Originally Posted by coonz

Enquired about a Macan GTS just before the new year. Depending on spec, can be eighteen months before delivery.

I also spoke to my local dealer about a few possible cars late last year. I think you would have found that the Macan S could be ordered with a relatively short lead time of about 6 months. Unfortunately the factory which builds the air suspension on the Macan GTS was flooded last year, hence the much longer lead time.

I haven’t enquired again recently so so I don’t know if that’s still the case.

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by JD6

I also spoke to my local dealer about a few possible cars late last year. I think you would have found that the Macan S could be ordered with a relatively short lead time of about 6 months. Unfortunately the factory which builds the air suspension on the Macan GTS was flooded last year, hence the much longer lead time.

I haven’t enquired again recently so so I don’t know if that’s still the case.

Yup Macan S was 1/2 lead time of GTS when I ordered at Chester