Bad air collision over Dallas

M5Rick · 11-12-2022, 04:33 PM

A WW2 Kingcobra has crashed into a B17 at Dallas air show.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...is-flying.html

kscarrol · 11-12-2022, 05:10 PM

Ugh, awful.

Jbrown7403 · 11-12-2022, 05:13 PM

Absolutely horrible.

M_Six · 11-12-2022, 05:15 PM

Damn, that sux. RIP to the crews.

Kilabyte · 11-12-2022, 05:50 PM

Horrible. May they rest in peace.

ezaircon4jc · 11-12-2022, 07:36 PM

Looks like from the angles neither could see the other. Must have been some communication confusion. One of those a/c shouldn't have been there.

NickyC · 11-12-2022, 07:52 PM

Just terrible, such sadness.

evil-G-nius · 11-12-2022, 09:38 PM

Just saw the video...heart dropping to watch. I am going to an airshow tomorrow, hope for nothing to go wrong.

M5Rick · 11-13-2022, 03:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ezaircon4jc

Looks like from the angles neither could see the other. Must have been some communication confusion. One of those a/c shouldn't have been there.

The pilot of the P-63 wasn't banking in line with the main formation and headed straight for the B17.

GuidoK · 11-13-2022, 08:02 AM

Tragic accident.
So many aircraft at the same time in the air. Risky situations.

ezaircon4jc · 11-13-2022, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M5Rick

The pilot of the P-63 wasn't banking in line with the main formation and headed straight for the B17.

He was banking left and being a low-wing there was no way to see the B17. He should have been clearing the airspace before turning. The B17 was flying pretty straight and level, though it isn't clear from the video for how long.

M5Rick · 11-13-2022, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ezaircon4jc

He was banking left and being a low-wing there was no way to see the B17. He should have been clearing the airspace before turning. The B17 was flying pretty straight and level, though it isn't clear from the video for how long.

This. Pilot of P-63 failed to check if space was clear before banking.

P1 · 11-13-2022, 09:54 PM

I was fortunate enough to see both of these in operation in July of this year. Gave me goosebumps to see these machines up close, especially the B17 as it roared to live literally feet from me and roared down the runway on its way to take flight.

Devastating news. Two pictures I took during the show:

SoftShoe · 11-14-2022, 03:14 AM

To irresponsibly offer a barely informed interpretation:
Looked like the P-63 may have been flying loose formation with another aircraft ahead, above, and to the left.

If he was, then that’s likely where his eyes were.
In that case, he never had any idea the B-17 was there.
Even aside from the low wing blocking his view.

Frigging stupid and tragic loss of life and aircraft.

Tommy-G · 11-14-2022, 11:32 AM

Horrific. I heard them talking about it on the radio but nothing tells the tale of that video.

Alfisti · 11-14-2022, 01:05 PM

Poor id int hat video..... "was that meant to happen"

gjm120 · 11-15-2022, 12:48 PM

Really so sad. Those people who dedicated so much time and effort to keep that history alive...

The B17 was based near me and I'd see it flying around a few times a year. The sound gets your attention right away. When my son was little we went to a local airstrip and it was there and we got to go through it. I've a picture of him looking out the side gunner window.

3.0L · 11-15-2022, 06:32 PM

Juan Browne provides a good initial analysis, plus the operating rules surrounding airshows, etc.

11-12-2022, 04:33 PM	#1
M5Rick General 71455 Rep 22,779 Posts Drives: M5 F10 DCT Gunmetal Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: GB iTrader: (0)	Bad air collision over Dallas A WW2 Kingcobra has crashed into a B17 at Dallas air show. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...is-flying.html
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P1 Lieutenant General 11756 Rep 11,195 Posts Drives: 2004 3/4 ton Duramax Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: United States iTrader: (1)	I was fortunate enough to see both of these in operation in July of this year. Gave me goosebumps to see these machines up close, especially the B17 as it roared to live literally feet from me and roared down the runway on its way to take flight. Devastating news. Two pictures I took during the show: Last edited by P1; 11-13-2022 at 10:00 PM..
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11-14-2022, 03:14 AM	#14
SoftShoe Private First Class 161 Rep 172 Posts Drives: '19 BMW M240i Join Date: Jun 2021 Location: Bay Area (SF) iTrader: (0)	To irresponsibly offer a barely informed interpretation: Looked like the P-63 may have been flying loose formation with another aircraft ahead, above, and to the left. If he was, then that’s likely where his eyes were. In that case, he never had any idea the B-17 was there. Even aside from the low wing blocking his view. Frigging stupid and tragic loss of life and aircraft.
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