[bri1042]

https://www.consumerreports.org/car-...s-a7824554938/

The current 3 and 4 series cars are at the top of their breakdown. Reliability surveys are bit silly in general, but it's still surprising to see BMW this far up.

Ranking:

Toyota – 72 points
Lexus – 72 points
BMW – 65 points
Mazda – 65 points
Honda – 62 points
Audi – 60 points
Subaru – 59 points
Acura – 57 points
Kia – 54 points
Lincoln – 54 points
Buick – 54 points
Genesis – 52 points
Hyundai – 46 points
Volvo – 45 points
Ram – 42 points
Cadillac – 42 points
Ford – 41 points
Tesla – 40 points
Chevrolet – 40 points
GMC – 36 points
Volkswagen – 31 points
Jeep – 30 points
Mercedes – 26 points

[ASAP]

BMW past around 2015 or as we transitioned into the mid cycle F series and definitely the G series has been quite a reliable brand given the type of car it is... I think same with Audi.

In the Mid 2000s and early 2010s... if your Audi broke, you'd have to sell your house to fix it... and dont' even get me started on BMWs and the random bing you'd hear everytime you'd start the car....

it's hard to even put BMW and Toyota in the same ranking because the cars are that much different... Toyota is a simpleton point a to b car... BMW is a luxury performance car that has a large amount of tech.

[bri1042]

Originally Posted by ASAP

BMW past around 2015 or as we transitioned into the mid cycle F series and definitely the G series has been quite a reliable brand given the type of car it is... I think same with Audi.

In the Mid 2000s and early 2010s... if your Audi broke, you'd have to sell your house to fix it... and dont' even get me started on BMWs and the random bing you'd hear everytime you'd start the car....

it's hard to even put BMW and Toyota in the same ranking because the cars are that much different... Toyota is a simpleton point a to b car... BMW is a luxury performance car that has a large amount of tech.

Yep, we haven't had any significant issues with our last 4 BMW's (a 16 340i, 19 M2C, 20 530e, and 21 M3)...though my SO and I have yet to have any of those 4 out of warranty. In warranty reliability has been stellar, at least.

[wtwo3]

Wait until CR begins including iDrive8 models in their rankings... BMW will drop like a rock . CR reliability isn't just powertrain, something as simple as a random glitch in the infotainment is accepted by CR as a reliability issue. We saw this with the 2019 X5 back in the day which was riddled by random iDrive7 glitches. Reliability for that went from abysmal to all of a sudden above average once software updates were rolled out.

Other thing I'll mention is - CR reliability rankings can be skewed wildly by availability of data points. Case in point - Mercedes is dead last on this list. But if you dig a little deeper, the aggregate reliability for Mercedes is represented by only 2 models in the lineup - the E class and GLE. So it wouldn't matter if the rest of Mercedes 10+ cars in their lineup had bullet-proof reliability, CR is aggregating their overall reliability through only 2 cars.

[heavyD^2]

Yeah but Mercedes has been pumping out unreliable stuff for a long time now and don't have a bullet-proof reliable model. Had they included more models it's not likely they fare a lot better and possibly even worse.

[wtwo3]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

Yeah but Mercedes has been pumping out unreliable stuff for a long time now and don't have a bullet-proof reliable model. Had they included more models it's not likely they fare a lot better and possibly even worse.

Be as that may, I was highlighting the shortcomings in how the rankings are calculated. Mercedes was just an example I used since they're dead last.

[Quadruple VANOS]

People need to remember that these rankings are derived from subjective owner satisfaction ratings and not objective data.

[RodriguezM]

i believe BMW has some reliable for the past 10 years unless you absolutely beat the *hit out of them but i would of thought mercedes would of been a little bit futher up the list at least the top tier. like top 5? But i take this with a grain of salt because i believe BMW is like top tier #1 for luxury sedans.

[Anderson11]

Originally Posted by bri1042

https://www.consumerreports.org/car-...s-a7824554938/

The current 3 and 4 series cars are at the top of their breakdown. Reliability surveys are bit silly in general, but it's still surprising to see BMW this far up.

Ranking:

Toyota – 72 points
Lexus – 72 points
BMW – 65 points
Mazda – 65 points
Honda – 62 points
Audi – 60 points
Subaru – 59 points
Acura – 57 points
Kia – 54 points
Lincoln – 54 points
Buick – 54 points
Genesis – 52 points
Hyundai – 46 points
Volvo – 45 points
Ram – 42 points
Cadillac – 42 points
Ford – 41 points
Tesla – 40 points
Chevrolet – 40 points
GMC – 36 points
Volkswagen – 31 points
Jeep – 30 points
Mercedes – 26 points

Interesting that Porsche is not on the list? For the last several years they have consistently scored high reliability ratings eg JD Power etc...

[DB_Cooper]

Aren't these JD power / consumer reports rankings all bullshit?

[LogicalApex]

Originally Posted by DB_Cooper

Aren't these JD power / consumer reports rankings all bullshit?

Why would they be BS on Consumer Reports?

[Germanauto]

What I do believe wholeheartedly from this ranking is where Mercedes sits. Everybody I know with a Merc has had issue after issue. The outgoing C-class/GLC are especially turds.

[mecheng77]

Wow VW is much lower than Audi, I was looking at getting the new mk8 GTI, now I'm worried

[zestyorange]

One of my close friends who has Mercedes hit a pot hole and the tire has ruptured. The mechanic showed up without impact wrench. He couldn't even unscrew the wheel. It was bolted well. While it is an expensive car, every detail seems cheaply built and the whole thing looks like a large black coffin. So, I am not surprised that Mercedes hits the rock bottom.

[NickyC]

F8x cars are incredibly reliable. In over 5 years of ownership I've had nothing but very minor issues. I think they're not only the best looking cars BMW has ever made, but the most reliable as well.

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by DB_Cooper

Aren't these JD power / consumer reports rankings all bullshit?

No. Not at all. People that say they are BS are usually ones unhappy that the brand they love didn't fare well. No difference than when a car wins a comparison in a magazine when fans of the loser cars say the magazine was paid by the manufacturer. The reality is that CR and JD Power surveys is all we have to go by when it comes to reliability and in the case of JD Power automakers actually pay them for their services so they can research what they can do better to improve their vehicles.

[DrFerry]

Originally Posted by bri1042

https://www.consumerreports.org/car-...s-a7824554938/

The current 3 and 4 series cars are at the top of their breakdown. Reliability surveys are bit silly in general, but it's still surprising to see BMW this far up.

Ranking:

Toyota – 72 points
Lexus – 72 points
BMW – 65 points
Mazda – 65 points
Honda – 62 points
Audi – 60 points
Subaru – 59 points
Acura – 57 points
Kia – 54 points
Lincoln – 54 points
Buick – 54 points
Genesis – 52 points
Hyundai – 46 points
Volvo – 45 points
Ram – 42 points
Cadillac – 42 points
Ford – 41 points
Tesla – 40 points
Chevrolet – 40 points
GMC – 36 points
Volkswagen – 31 points
Jeep – 30 points
Mercedes – 26 points

Consumer Reports should stick to testing toasters. They want us to believe a BMW is more reliable than a Honda or a Subaru. That's fake news folks IMO. Do Consumer Reports benefit from surveys of this nature?

[335i54n]

I would take a b58/8hp over anything imo, could see this list mainly pertaining to powertrain problems

[NYG]

My experiences with some of the cars in the last 5 years reflect pretty closely to that list except for Chevy. My Corvette and Silverado were very reliable and I've yet to see one of the Camaros that my track crew races with have reliability issues unrelated to mods. One of them had an issue with the rear trunk not opening with the key fob but it may have been related to other things.

My last 9 (I think) bimmers have all been superb with only one issue on the new X5 where the center console touch buttons stopped working. The only BMW I ever had serious problems with was an early fourth gen 745.

I personally think very highly of BMW in terms of reliability so I get confused when people say they aren't.

They are 100% the most reliable manufacturer right now out of the big German brands (excluding Porsche - not real experience to judge on this).

[F32Fleet]

If you look at the rankings this is CR owners and very few of their subscribers own BMW.

Hell, Benz was last and only 2 models were reviewed.

[SteezeforMyBimmerMon]

Not sure about this whole lost but OK. Someone already pointed out that Mercedes at the bottom doesn't make a lot of sense. BMW near the top is OK with my. Honda and Subaru are near the top and that seems about right. How are Toyota and Subaru that far apart some of them are essentially the same car now.

[shawnhayes]

My last four BMW's have been rock solid. Little to no problems.

Shawn