[AlexFL]

Overall, a quite positive review (for savagegeese at least).

[Louis_BE]

The one thing that sticks out to me is that the residual value of the iX will be shattered in 2 years from now :-(

[grueber]

Originally Posted by Louis_BE

The one thing that sticks out to me is that the residual value of the iX will be shattered in 2 years from now :-(

SG assumes:

1. The 6th gen battery will be ready in 2025
2. It will be produced in sufficient numbers
3. It will be bug-free (i.e. no battery recall).
4. It will charge 50% faster with 50% more capacity at the same weight and same or less cost than the current 5th gen battery

I'm not disputing battery tech will get cheaper and better. But for him to claim it's going to "destroy residual value" is just YT clickbait. You could apply this to all the EVs on the road right now. If you need a car and want a EV what are you supposed to do for the next 2 years? That's assuming the 6th gen arrives as scheduled and based on the iX rollout that's very optimistic.

He also complained about the absent shortcut buttons. Someone show him that you push the rotary dial up to access the 8 programmable shortcuts.

[sor]

Originally Posted by grueber

SG assumes:

1. The 6th gen battery will be ready in 2025
2. It will be produced in sufficient numbers
3. It will be bug-free (i.e. no battery recall).
4. It will charge 50% faster with 50% more capacity at the same weight and same or less cost than the current 5th gen battery

I'm not disputing battery tech will get cheaper and better. But for him to claim it's going to "destroy residual value" is just YT clickbait. You could apply this to all the EVs on the road right now. If you need a car and want a EV what are you supposed to do for the next 2 years? That's assuming the 6th gen arrives as scheduled and based on the iX rollout that's very optimistic.

He also complained about the absent shortcut buttons. Someone show him that you push the rotary dial up to access the 8 programmable shortcuts.

Got to have something in the negative column or it doesn't seem like a balanced review. Sometimes they reach.

The fuss about 6th gen batteries is amusing, as though there aren't also half a dozen other car brands and probably scores of tech and battery companies working on other new stuff for EVs as well, as is always the case. But no, it's the 6th gen battery we need to worry about, as though cars would otherwise not depreciate to half their value in four years anyway.

[ggalanis]

Originally Posted by Louis_BE

The one thing that sticks out to me is that the residual value of the iX will be shattered in 2 years from now :-(

That's not how values of used cars works. I respect his opinions on certain aspects but that is not something he is knowledgeable about.

[Paladin1]

Originally Posted by grueber

SG assumes:

1. The 6th gen battery will be ready in 2025
2. It will be produced in sufficient numbers
3. It will be bug-free (i.e. no battery recall).
4. It will charge 50% faster with 50% more capacity at the same weight and same or less cost than the current 5th gen battery

I'm not disputing battery tech will get cheaper and better. But for him to claim it's going to "destroy residual value" is just YT clickbait. You could apply this to all the EVs on the road right now. If you need a car and want a EV what are you supposed to do for the next 2 years? That's assuming the 6th gen arrives as scheduled and based on the iX rollout that's very optimistic.

He also complained about the absent shortcut buttons. Someone show him that you push the rotary dial up to access the 8 programmable shortcuts.

But he did explain that BMW never reached out to them to explain how the car works. Waaaaaa! And of course, it isn't like there are 500 other YouTube reviews out there demonstrating its features. So I can understand his confusion. Especially for a professional car reviewer unfamiliar with automobiles or the Internet.

[sor]

Originally Posted by ggalanis

That's not how values of used cars works. I respect his opinions on certain aspects but that is not something he is knowledgeable about.

I'd be shocked if they are available in mass two years from now. Even if they are, I always expect something better will come out in the next models. They are always pumping up the horsepower or redesigning things.

The whole point of the used car market is that there are people who aren't willing to pay for the latest and greatest. Something new won't necessarily kill the used value any more than newer and better models ever do. The concept that it might be outdated is already baked into the expectation that most cars lose 40%-50% of their value in three years.

The one thing that could plunge used values is if there were hundreds of thousands of iX owners out there and everyone tried to trade up at once. The flood of iX would dip the value. That's unlikely too because while I love my iX I don't see signs of it selling in mass quantities, and I also don't expect the newer tech to be available in mass quantities out of the gate.

Of course iX owners may also jump to a Rivian, or a Polestar, or an Audi, Porsche, or any other number of things at any time. Everyone will have newer and better stuff in 3-4 years time, which is why it seems stilly to get worked up only about BMW's emerging tech.

[NomoTesla]

The BMW iX xDrive 50 gets a higher real-world range than Tesla Model X LR and for $37,000 less… TODAY!

The iX is insanely good—better than any Tesla. The only reason it wouldn't hold its resale value is if people don't know how good it actually is. Technology always improves over time. Everyone accepts that. Nobody is going to wait 2-3 years if they need a car now, that's a stupid argument.

Don't listen to the "tech bros".

[ncatoffice]

Car buying for most is an emotional decision more than it is a logical one. I used to own an Audi Q7. Absolutely loved it; found excuses to drive it. Sold that earlier this year and bought a brand new fully loaded Lexus. It’s a great car, reliable, but I don’t feel as excited or connected to it. Will it hold its value more than the ix? Yes ofcourse! But I am trading it in for an ix because I want to feel the same way I felt with the Audi every day I owned it. This will be the most I have ever paid for a car, so it’s not like I am buying $100K cars all the time. Technology will always evolve. Can’t keep chasing rainbows! Enjoy today! If you can afford it, remember that Money is a tool to experience life!!

[npa201]

I mean his point on residuals is probably the same you could say about any European luxury car that isn’t a hyper car. I don’t see MB S or BMW 7 series holding their values either…I think the review was quite balanced and brought up so many points that others do not bring up: 1) you spend most of your time in the car, not out of the car and this car is something special 2) it actually drives really well for something so heavy, 3) its insanely quiet.

They bring up that this guy owns an X7 m50i and I remember this guy gushing over the X5 m50i but also saying….its too darn expensive and yet he goes out and buys an even more expensive version of that vehicle. You can tell, that if you take price out of the equation, he really likes this thing.

I think its also interesting that they keep comparing it to the base x5 or x7 and after just getting a base x5 loaner the other day, there was a huge difference between that vehicle and my x5 m50i. Even taking the engine out of it, it just felt like a very different vehicle. Suspension different. Steering different. I want to say it was my imagination but it seemed like there was more road noise / less sound dampening? To me the IX 50 needs to be compared to the X5 m50i and then we are really talking about fairly comparable pricing (my IX was about $4k more than my X5 based on MSRP).

[Louis_BE]

I agree with all the above said, but … but …. While I do understand technology evolves, this would be more than that if it holds true, most EV’s have incremental updates, but this would be a major one if all the points would come at once … better range / better efficiency / faster charging and not better by single digits as normal but 20 - 30% … My Molde X had never such a big jump, they where really tiny evolutions every 2 to 3 year …
Anyway I love the car and I would not want to wait another 2 /3 years …
The review is very positive, but you have to listen very carefully, they say it’s the best SAV / SUV luxury EV out there … that is not nothing to sneeze about … but the dwelling on the outdated technology ones gen 6 is there overshadowed that completely.

[NomoTesla]

There is a practical limit to range. I doubt BMW will ever create a 600-mile battery because there is little use case. It requires hauling around more cells than needed, adding unnecessary weight and cost.

I'm pretty sure BMW will choose to stay with 300-400 mile range figures while using fewer cells and reducing weight. That seems to be the sweet spot. The current iX offers range enough to drive 4-5 hours at 70 MPH. Most people cannot achieve such a feat without stopping for a break, which creates a natural charging opportunity.

[TXSchnee]

I regards to the rumored 6th gen battery improvements: You can buy a 500+ mile range EV right now, with fast charging. The Lucid Air has what most people consider amazing technology, because it brings the weight of the drivetrain components down. If you are fine with a 300 mile range now, when 500 is available, why does a possible future higher range battery matter?

[hugo_nz]

There are a number of inaccuracies in this video that need to be pointed out:

2:43 - Leather and cloth are not the only option. There's Sensatec synthetic leather as well.
2:59 - Copper accent is not an option. It's standard and the only trim available
6:36 - Ambient lighting can be accessed by the shortcut button on the roof console
8:38 - Lumbar/Massage delete is affect more than iX and cars being produced now have it added back
13:38 - This is not a next gen platform. It's electrified CLAR. The next gen platform is Nueu Klasse coming in 2025
15:14 - The CFRP is a reinforcement. It's glued on to the aluminium frame. It's NOT the frame
20:32 - The rear motor on the M60 is different to the other models. It's not just a battery pack difference. It also features model specific anti roll bars, m-specific suspension tuning, etc...
21:30 - The CFRP door frame/circle is a $1500 part and BMW has a workshop video and instructions on how to replace it


I get that BMW was not helpful in providing information, but some simple research could have helped a great deal. Everything I mentioned above is available as public info.

IX Body Frame Diagram: https://monosnap.com/file/jVUM5Sl3Q2...h1ZZaRijk0eTZU
IX CFRP Side Cover Replacement Diagram: https://monosnap.com/file/puT6PYAs0e...GDKWBZLmpv9QuJ
IX M60 Model Highlights (BMW Press): https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/globa...48394EN/558995

[sor]

Originally Posted by Louis_BE

I agree with all the above said, but … but …. While I do understand technology evolves, this would be more than that if it holds true, most EV's have incremental updates, but this would be a major one if all the points would come at once … better range / better efficiency / faster charging and not better by single digits as normal but 20 - 30% … My Molde X had never such a big jump, they where really tiny evolutions every 2 to 3 year …
Anyway I love the car and I would not want to wait another 2 /3 years …
The review is very positive, but you have to listen very carefully, they say it's the best SAV / SUV luxury EV out there … that is not nothing to sneeze about … but the dwelling on the outdated technology ones gen 6 is there overshadowed that completely.

They've made big changes to their lineups in the past as well. When the M3 went from e46 to e90 they dumped a high revving v8 into it AND released a turbo six in the 335i, both of which walloped the old M3. While this isn't exactly the same in terms of "tech nerd" goodies, they pretty much obsoleted the whole previous 3 series lineup in one swoop. It just comes with the territory.

Now I'm sure I'll get it from the older track people who love the old bimmers

[npa201]

Originally Posted by hugo_nz

There are a number of inaccuracies in this video that need to be pointed out:


2:59 - Copper accent is not an option. It's standard and the only trim available

Just to confirm with everyone, the titanium bronze trim on the interior of the car is just painted plastic right? That’s the way it feels to the touch. I wonder if it was designed that way to for the trim to be 100% or some majority % recycled plastics from a sustainability perspective. I saw some review of Audi’s next gen e-tron where they have removed all the chrome trim because that material can’t made using recycled material and wonder if that was the same situation here. Certainly aluminum can be recycled, why not use that? Again maybe I’m wrong here but that was slight disappointment when I first touched those accent trims in the IX.

[hugo_nz]

Originally Posted by npa201

Just to confirm with everyone, the titanium bronze trim on the interior of the car is just painted plastic right? That’s the way it feels to the touch. I wonder if it was designed that way to for the trim to be 100% or some majority % recycled plastics from a sustainability perspective. I saw some review of Audi’s next gen e-tron where they have removed all the chrome trim because that material can’t made using recycled material and wonder if that was the same situation here. Certainly aluminum can be recycled, why not use that? Again maybe I’m wrong here but that was slight disappointment when I first touched those accent trims in the IX.

Correct, just painted plastic.