[Teutonic]

From Financial post
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Wait, what? Wyoming lawmakers push to ban all electric vehicles by 2035
Bill response to laws other states are implementing to eliminate gas-powered vehicles

Pamela Heaven - Published Jan 19, 2023

While Canada moves to get gas-powered vehicles off the road, lawmakers in Wyoming have gone in the opposite direction and are calling for a ban on electric vehicles.

The bill, introduced into the state legislature on Jan. 13 by Senator Jim Anderson and other Republicans, supports phasing out the sale of new electric vehicles in Wyoming by 2035.

“Oil and gas production has long been one of Wyoming’s proud and valued industries,” says the bill, adding that the industry has created “countless” jobs in the region and contributed to the state’s coffers throughout its history.

The legislation also lists downsides to EVs, such the lack of charging stations in the state and the “massive amounts” of new power generation that would be needed to sustain “the misadventure of electric vehicles.”

The supply of critical minerals needed for EVs is limited and not easily recyclable, so landfills will have to develop new practices to dispose of them, the bill says.
The resolution winds up by stating that phasing out the sale of new electric vehicles will ensure the stability of Wyoming’s oil and gas industry and help preserve the country’s critical minerals for “vital purposes.”

It also calls for copies of the resolution to be sent to President Joe Biden, the president of the Senate, the Speaker and the governor of California.

If this all sounds a bit tongue in cheek, it’s because it is — sort of.

Anderson told the Washington Post the main motivation for the bill was California’s move in August to go ahead with a ban on new gas vehicles by 2035.

“I have a problem with somebody saying, ‘Don’t buy any more petroleum vehicles,'” Anderson told the newspaper, adding that he introduced the bill “just to get the message out that we’re not happy with the states that are outlawing our vehicles.”
In August California announced it would require 35 per cent of all new vehicle sales to be powered by batteries or hydrogen by 2026, 68 per cent by 2030 and all by 2035.

The state, which CNBC calls “the center of U.S. car culture,” carries a lot of heft and is likely to affect the auto industry nation-wide. CNBC reported that already at least 15 states, including New Jersey, New York and Pennsylvania, have adopted California’s vehicle standards on their own rules.

The Wyoming resolution’s co-sponsor Sen. Brian Boner told the Cowboy State Daily that the bill if passed would be entirely symbolic.

“I’m interested in making sure that the solutions that some folks want to the so-called climate crisis are actually practical in real life,” Boner said. “I just don’t appreciate when other states try to force technology that isn’t ready.”

In Canada, new government rules dictate that 20 per cent of all new cars sold are zero-emission by 2026; at least 60 per cent by 2030 and 100 per cent by 2035.

https://financialpost.com/commoditie...-vehicles-2035

[Patton250]

If they didn’t have such a freezing, cold winter, I would move there in an instant.

[Marcoose]

Does WY even sell 20,000 new vehicles per annum ?

Yeah, that will sure make a dent.

LOL

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by Marcoose

Does WY even sell 20,000 new vehicles per annum ?

Yeah, that will sure make a dent.

LOL

They’re not trying to make a dent. They’re making a statement. It’s hilarious. I hope it passes.

[Marcoose]

Hilarious indeed. Sadly, they’re the butt of the joke.

Akin to small liberal cities banning gas cooktops. Silly people making silly statements.

[Germanauto]

The media and corporations applaud all the ICE bans, yet scoff at this.

I don't hate EVs, I think they are superior for the majority of people. But I'm anti-ICE bans motivated purely by political posturing and enriching special interest groups. We all know these bans are motivated by forces that have nothing to do with benefitting the environment.

Whose side are you on?

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by Marcoose

Hilarious indeed. Sadly, they’re the butt of the joke.

Akin to small liberal cities banning gas cooktops. Silly people making silly statements.

I’m confused as to why you would think the people of Wyoming would give two craps about what any person or government on the rest of the planet earth more importantly the other 49 states would think of them. I assure you they don’t.

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

The media and corporations applaud all the ICE bans, yet scoff at this.

I don't hate EVs, I think they are superior for the majority of people. But I'm anti-ICE bans motivated purely by political posturing and enriching special interest groups. We all know these bans are motivated by forces that have nothing to do with benefitting the environment.

Whose side are you on?

I am on the side of free market capitalism. Let that dictate what kind of cars get made.

[Germanauto]

Originally Posted by Patton250

I am on the side of free market capitalism. Let that dictate what kind of cars get made.

Such bans are a reflection of crony capitalism and government overreach at its finest. I don't see how anybody reasonable is OK with this regardless of political affiliation. A truly free society should reflect the wants and needs of its people, not a handful of greedy elites.

What people are showing is they do want EVs, and there should be investment into infrastructure for them. But many people (and pragmatic companies like Toyota and BMW) realize they are not the end-all-be-all solution for everybody. Let us have choice.

[tturedraider]

Originally Posted by Marcoose

Hilarious indeed. Sadly, they’re the butt of the joke.

Akin to small liberal cities banning gas cooktops. Silly people making silly statements.

Says the guy from one of the silliest cities in the single most silly state in the union.

[Maxx Power]

Originally Posted by tturedraider

Says the guy from one of the silliest cities in the single most silly state in the union.

(waiting for this to turn into a climate change debate)

[NickyC]

The only new law I'm in favor of is the ban on the creation of any new laws.

Enough is enough with this shit, tell these lifetime political hacks to get a real job.

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

Such bans are a reflection of crony capitalism and government overreach at its finest. I don't see how anybody reasonable is OK with this regardless of political affiliation. A truly free society should reflect the wants and needs of its people, not a handful of greedy elites.

What people are showing is they do want EVs, and there should be investment into infrastructure for them. But many people (and pragmatic companies like Toyota and BMW) realize they are not the end-all-be-all solution for everybody. Let us have choice.

I actually like some EV. I’m considering putting one in my fleet for local travel. Fortunately, I’m in the financial position to do that. I think you and I both agree that demand should be the ONLY driving force as to what type of vehicles are produced more. Not government. I’m not sure but I don’t think governments mandate what gas stations are built and how many must be built, right? Oil companies build them where they feel the most demand is right? I don’t think governments invested in gas station infrastructure did they? So electrical charging infrastructure is going to have to be up to EV manufactures as well. If they don’t do it right the desire, and therefore, the demand for EV will decline. It will be interesting to see if they can pull it off. I still don’t see how the current generation of EV is any good for anything other than local travel from your home. Hybrid ICE vehicles seem more practical for long distance travel.

[grannyknot]

Originally Posted by Teutonic

From Financial post
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Wait, what? Wyoming lawmakers push to ban all electric vehicles by 2035
Bill response to laws other states are implementing to eliminate gas-powered vehicles

Well, it's a good laugh for sure, the rugged self reliant Wyoming cowboy giving the finger to anything that smells like change, I get it and part of me says good for them.
But, when there are no more manufactures producing ICE Pick ups what are they going to do, get out the horse and buggy?
No, they'll test drive an EV Pick up and the acceleration alone will change their mind, the power is incredible.

[LogicalApex]

Originally Posted by Patton250

I actually like some EV. I’m considering putting one in my fleet for local travel. Fortunately, I’m in the financial position to do that. I think you and I both agree that demand should be the ONLY driving force as to what type of vehicles are produced more. Not government. I’m not sure but I don’t think governments mandate what gas stations are built and how many must be built, right? Oil companies build them where they feel the most demand is right? I don’t think governments invested in gas station infrastructure did they? So electrical charging infrastructure is going to have to be up to EV manufactures as well. If they don’t do it right the desire, and therefore, the demand for EV will decline. It will be interesting to see if they can pull it off. I still don’t see how the current generation of EV is any good for anything other than local travel from your home. Hybrid ICE vehicles seem more practical for long distance travel.

Demand alone isn’t the only driving force for ICE cars either. Government heavily subsidizes them too. It is disingenuous to pretend that ICE cars are purely free market and EVs are not. Hell, no one would buy cars if the government didn’t spend billions building and maintaining roads…

If the government pulled its billions in subsidies for the oil industry you’d be yelling about how gas is unaffordable and the government needs to get back into it to “fix” it.

I would have thought the idea of decoupling the US from regimes like Saudi Arabia (who our own government’s investigations concluded funded 9/11) or Russia would be enough to get people on board. Alongside, the chance for America to lead the future of the automotive industry.

But I guess not. Instead people want to holdback progress ignoring that the world has changed.

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by LogicalApex

Demand alone isn’t the only driving force for ICE cars either. Government heavily subsidizes them too. It is disingenuous to pretend that ICE cars are purely free market and EVs are not. Hell, no one would buy cars if the government didn’t spend billions building and maintaining roads…

If the government pulled its billions in subsidies for the oil industry you’d be yelling about how gas is unaffordable and the government needs to get back into it to “fix” it.

I would have thought the idea of decoupling the US from regimes like Saudi Arabia (who our own government’s investigations concluded funded 9/11) or Russia would be enough to get people on board. Alongside, the chance for America to lead the future of the automotive industry.

But I guess not. Instead people want to holdback progress ignoring that the world has changed.

Government spends billions on roads? It puts “it’s” billions in subsidies???

Where does government get “its” money from? Asking for a friend

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by grannyknot

Well, it's a good laugh for sure, the rugged self reliant Wyoming cowboy giving the finger to anything that smells like change, I get it and part of me says good for them.
But, when there are no more manufactures producing ICE Pick ups what are they going to do, get out the horse and buggy?
No, they'll test drive an EV Pick up and the acceleration alone will change their mind, the power is incredible.

And this is where all the communication breakdown happens. You think they are just against progress and change right? Did you actually read the first post?

[H2O_Doc]

Originally Posted by Patton250

I am on the side of free market capitalism. Let that dictate what kind of cars get made.

Tragedy of the commons. It's real and matters here.

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by H2O_Doc

Tragedy of the commons. It's real and matters here.

If you are talking about grant money for scientists, I would agree with you.

[grannyknot]

Originally Posted by Patton250

And this is where all the communication breakdown happens. You think they are just against progress and change right? Did you actually read the first post?

All? Really?
No, I don't think that, that would be you reading your own opinions into it.
Yes I did read it, Wyoming produces a lot oil, they want to keep those jobs in the state, I understand.
Within our kids lifetime the use of oil products are going to drop drastically but since Politicians rarely get elected for their long term thinking they instead pander to the lowest common denominator, hot button issues. Whatever it takes to win another 4 yrs.
I understand the plight of the oil workforce, they're thinking about their next mortgage payment but the citizens of Wyoming and their kids especially would better be severed by encouraging new energy technology industries to move into the state to replace the oil jobs that are going to disappear at some point.

Passing a bill that says we are going to keep everything exactly the way it has always been is short sighted, change is the only constant.

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by grannyknot

All? Really?
No, I don't think that, that would be you reading your own opinions into it.
Yes I did read it, Wyoming produces a lot oil, they want to keep those jobs in the state, I understand.
Within our kids lifetime the use of oil products are going to drop drastically but since Politicians rarely get elected for their long term thinking they instead pander to the lowest common denominator, hot button issues. Whatever it takes to win another 4 yrs.
I understand the plight of the oil workforce, they're thinking about their next mortgage payment but the citizens of Wyoming and their kids especially would better be severed by encouraging new energy technology industries to move into the state to replace the oil jobs that are going to disappear at some point.

Passing a bill that says we are going to keep everything exactly the way it has always been is short sighted, change is the only constant.

It’s only shortsighted if YOU BELIEVE in the reasons why 30% of the politicians are doing everything in their power to eliminate oil. I don’t. Nobody I know does. Not one business person I know and not one friend or family member I know does. Obviously, the majority of people in Wyoming don’t either. So there we are.

[DavesZupra4]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

The media and corporations applaud all the ICE bans, yet scoff at this.

I don't hate EVs, I think they are superior for the majority of people. But I'm anti-ICE bans motivated purely by political posturing and enriching special interest groups. We all know these bans are motivated by forces that have nothing to do with benefitting the environment.

Whose side are you on?

Dude. Wtf are you talking about? Hundreds of million cars and busses and trains using a non renewable resources and releasing so much greenhouse gasses from getting the resource and burning it is insane.

Ev isn't perfect, but only if acquiring the lithium, and charging the cars come from garbage non renewable resources. Phasing out ICE will make people more likely to force energy companies to go renewable or nuclear, and not coal, or oil. Seriously it's dumb to think it's for any other reason. I personally don't like electric. Drove a tesla s plaid for a few days. The acceleration gets boring and I'm more of a track guy anyway (domt know about 99.99% of other tesla owners who just go in a straight line or hit the drag strip and think they're "pro" and have no clue what a corner even is and they take corners so slowly because they don't know how to take corners in Max speed without crashing, and I prefer the sound of a nice straight 6 or v10 (my two favorite engine sounds), but still, sports cars can be an exception as we are still such a small niche minority and we can allow it on track use (meaning people especially in the USA and Canada will ACTUALLY HIT THE TRACK FOR ONCE RATHER THAN THE STUPID DRWG STRIP), AND ACTUALLY LEARN HOW TO DRIVE PROPERLY (HOPEFULLY). The rest of the terrible driver masses will just drive slowly and the speed limit and STILL CAUSE 99.99999999999% OF CRASHES EVERY DAY EVERYWHERE as usual except this time in EV

Now if we get animal "agriculture" banned, and become more ethical, the greenhouse gasses that won't be released outweigh ALL EXHAUST FROM ALL CARS, BUSES, TRAINS, PLANES, AND SHIPS COMBINED. YES COMBINED AND TWICE MORE. It'd astonishing how stupid humans are. Theyre so selfish and greedy that they will leave a DESTROYED WORLD FOR THE KIDS AND GRANDKIDS WHO IN TURN WILL HATE THEM FOR IT. These oil tycoons are fuking insane. I mean wasn't the first $100 million or $10 billion in their PERSONAL ACCOUNTS ENOUGH? Don't these fukers feel good enough having enough money for THOUSANDS OF LIFETIMES? Wtf is wrong with them why do they STILL NEED MORE THESE GREEDY INSECURE IDIOTIC EARTH DESTROYERS. How and why people havent exiled or imprisoned these scumbags for life I have no idea, but most people have been brainwashed not to be able to.think or use even a modicum of logic or common sense.

Originally Posted by Patton250

I am on the side of free market capitalism. Let that dictate what kind of cars get made.

Free market capitalism is a scam and purely evil. I have only had 1 job working as a host for directors when I was 18, since then I haven't worked for the past 11 years. But all I see everywhere is 95%+ of the people being used, abused, exploited, working nearly as slaves (when you compare the pitiful wages to what the should be getting), their taxes are used ONLY to enrich or bail out the rich, or certain industries usually bad ones like weapons or animal agriculture or eminent domain in minority neighborhoods, and the highest taxes are paid by the average American when you account for their income and purchasing power. A guy making $10 million paying even $4 million in taxes can survive easily for years with $6 million. Someone making $60k and after taxes earning only $35k has LOST SOO MUCH MONEY THAT WOULD HAVE MADE A DIFFERENCE.

People have been brainwashed to not see through the bs. I couldn't work because I'd be fired in one day. I won't allow disrespect or bs pay to be dictated to me by scumbags who make 10-350 times more than their MOST productive workers who get the LEAST PAY. No executive works 100-500 times HARDWR in fact their jobs are easier and yet they get paid more than the 9-5er.

My grandfather has a steel company in Europe. I fuking went there and increased the base wage for even the most mediocre and easy work to €75,000, and some make €200,000-$400,000 when before theyd only get €80,000-150,000. If he had a larger corporation I'd raise it even higher. You don't need profit..you can have a ginormous corporation that pays amazing salaries to everyone and make 1% profit and have a good brand name and be sustainable and tell the shareholders to.calm down and accept less pay but guaranteed to get paid longer by treating your employees like people and not slaves