[JMD]

Having taken ownership of my 45e for just a whopping 3 days, it is my guess that folks are really going to like the upcoming 50e mode X5! I mean, given the increase in power and range!

That is:
389hp vs 480hp* (..or is it 490Hp?*)
443 Lb-Ft vs 516*
30miles vs 60miles*
The 50e will be faster than all current 50i models,...and prolly faster than stock M50,...given the instant 100% torque of eMotor.

* = Estimates values.

Well, barring no significant issues, I plan to hold on to my 45e for at least 5 years!

Lastly, I'm providing you guys my specs for the time you decide to place your order for the 2024 X5. I figure your 50e will be coming off lease around the time I may consider upgrading from current 45e:

M Sport
DAP
Exec Pkg (should include Laser lights)
20" or 21" wheels
Red Calipers
Alpine White (#1), Mineral White (#1 or #2) or Black Sapphire (#3)
Mocha or Black Interior
Glass Controls
Tow Hitch
Tetragon or Dark Walnut Interior trim (CF if allowed by the configurator)
Extended Shadow line trim

Just to name a few...

[Phasers]

Originally Posted by JMD

30miles vs 60miles*

It's not going to 60 miles. More around 40ish.

Also don't forget the $15k effective increase in price.

[Tehnoid]

Originally Posted by JMD

Having taken ownership of my 45e for just a whopping 3 days, it is my guess that folks are really going to like the upcoming 50e mode X5! I mean, given the increase in power and range!

That is:
389hp vs 480hp* (..or is it 490Hp?*)
443 Lb-Ft vs 516*
30miles vs 60miles*
The 50e will be faster than all current 50i models,...and prolly faster than stock M50,...given the instant 100% torque of eMotor.

* = Estimates values.

Well, barring no significant issues, I plan to hold on to my 45e for at least 5 years!

Lastly, I'm providing you guys my specs for the time you decide to place your order for the 2024 X5. I figure your 50e will be coming off lease around the time I may consider upgrading from current 45e:

M Sport
DAP
Exec Pkg (should include Laser lights)
20" or 21" wheels
Red Calipers
Alpine White (#1), Mineral White (#1 or #2) or Black Sapphire (#3)
Mocha or Black Interior
Glass Controls
Tow Hitch
Tetragon or Dark Walnut Interior trim (CF if allowed by the configurator)
Extended Shadow line trim

Just to name a few...

I think you'll end up with an asterick on that faster than the current m50i models. BMW's have gotten the launch control right for a while as compared to almost everyone but Porsche. The added weight and still less power than the m50, it's hard to see them beating the current m50i.

[sigmabody]

As I've stated in other threads here, $15k more for an increase in high-end power and a marginal increase in range is of questionable value to me. I don't have many use-cases where the additional range would be of significant value to me (although it would be nice), and I haven't yet encountered a situation in normal driving where the high-end power of the 45e felt insufficient. When you add in the solid and significant downgrade of form and function for the electronic console system, the 50e does not seems like a compelling offering to me.

Obviously opinions will vary.

Ironically, one of the most compelling features for my next vehicle (if I look that far off, probably 3+ years) will likely be a good implementation of L2+ autonomous driving. This will obviously require some testing, since the 45e nominally has this already, but I don't use it because it's a bad implementation (in my usage). Based on current projections, that might make my next vehicle a MB, and it looks like they are moving in the right direction with the GLE also (behind BMW by ~5 years at present, and some issues with cost, but those gaps could close by the time I'm in the market again).

Of course, BMW could also get better too... hard to predict future trends. If BMW dumps their janky bolt-in console design and goes back to something integrated, with buttons for common features, improves their L2+ systems to remove false-positive interventions, and inflation catches up to their prices, I could very well be looking at the X5 again, lol. Will need to revisit this comment in 3+ years, I guess.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by tehyox

I think you'll end up with an asterick on that faster than the current m50i models. BMW's have gotten the launch control right for a while as compared to almost everyone but Porsche. The added weight and still less power than the m50, it's hard to see them beating the current m50i.

That is correct. It wouldn't beat the M50i, at least according to BMW's numbers 4.6 seconds to 4.1.

[viperdoc]

I agree with the above statements. The improvements of the 50e over the 45e are, mostly, significant to those who don't have the 45e yet. If I were in that boat, and I liked the ID8 system (which I don't) and had the extra money so that the tax rebate issues wasn't a problem, I would just buy the 50e. Either way I think the X5 PHEV is the best PHEV on the market, but the increased range and power of the 50e are not so significant as to cause most 45e owners to ditch their current vehicles...even IF the 50e was given the same $7500 tax rebate that I got on my 45e.

[JMD]

Originally Posted by tehyox

I think you'll end up with an asterick on that faster than the current m50i models. BMW's have gotten the launch control right for a while as compared to almost everyone but Porsche. The added weight and still less power than the m50, it's hard to see them beating the current m50i.

I hear you. However, More Torque = More Work capacity! Either way,...I believe the 50e will win on the launch and perhaps the 50i coming back may 100 yards or so afterwards.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by JMD

I hear you. However, More Torque = More Work capacity! Either way,...I believe the 50e will win on the launch and perhaps the 50i coming back may 100 yards or so afterwards.

Keep in mind though there is very little extra torque (20Nm from what I have seen) in the new electric motor and it really only becomes relevant at higher RPM's.

[Tehnoid]

Originally Posted by JMD

I hear you. However, More Torque = More Work capacity! Either way,...I believe the 50e will win on the launch and perhaps the 50i coming back may 100 yards or so afterwards.

It's heavier than the M50 and the M50 has max torque available on launch, which is higher number than 50e.

I'll be interested to see what times are though.

Also interested in the M60i vs M50i if there is any discernable difference. Going from the X5 M50i to the X7 M60i, I see little difference in speed. The M60i brought back pops and crackles which I'm not really sure I am in favor of in a giant SUV.

I feel like they are being hyper conservative with the M60i so far.

[TedDz]

For me there are several reasons to be happy with the upgrade.

1. Assuming the QC/QA is good this will be gen 3 of the hybrid system. So that can't be bad.

2. Supply chain problems appear to be over (for the moment) so the concern about ordering and getting something cut out will be lower.

3. Better color choices. I've always liked silver and skyscraper gray is close.

4. iDrive 8 to maybe 8.5 will be the most mature OS choice with 9 being radically different

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by TedDz

. Supply chain problems appear to be over (for the moment) so the concern about ordering and getting something cut out will be lower.

Not even close, they have already pulled options/features due to shortages. Namely IAS has been withdrawn and acoustic glass seems to be another.

[-Vanguard-]

Its going to be just as fast as the updated 40i. No where near the M60i lol

[hiluca]

Originally Posted by -Vanguard-

Its going to be just as fast as the updated 40i. No where near the M60i lol

it's actualy going to be quite a bit faster then the 40i

i'm surprised BMW actualy closed down the gap between the v8 and the hybrid as much as they did.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by -Vanguard-

Its going to be just as fast as the updated 40i. No where near the M60i lol

Actually it will be closer to the M60i than the 40i from preliminary 0 to 60 figures:

40i - 5.2
50e - 4.6
M60i - 4.2

[bono]

Somehow they need to justify $7k price increase in the US. Joking aside, I think this is really one of the reasons for much more aggressive pricing for 50e vs. 45e.

Originally Posted by hiluca

it's actualy going to be quite a bit faster then the 40i

i'm surprised BMW actualy closed down the gap between the v8 and the hybrid as much as they did.

[hiluca]

Originally Posted by bono

Somehow they need to justify $7k price increase in the US. Joking aside, I think this is really one of the reasons for much more aggressive pricing for 50e vs. 45e.

Yes could be,
Similary specced to my 45e i´m paying 18k euro more on the 50e in Belgium. Mind you i purchased the 45e when it was 81k standard and not after the price increase to 87k standard.

[-Vanguard-]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

Actually it will be closer to the M60i than the 40i from preliminary 0 to 60 figures:

40i - 5.2
50e - 4.6
M60i - 4.2

the 40i is most certainly not 5.2

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by -Vanguard-

the 40i is most certainly not 5.2

We are comparing published BMW figures not what anyone may get. They all are going to be faster in other testing than they are in BMW's, that is just how they do their testing.