[vetteflier]

Took my M4 to the dealer for the second annual service, oil-fob batteries-cabin filter. My right rear tire is down to the wear bars--at 6470 miles! The left is still ok, but wearing, and the fronts are fine. Can't believe it. It's not like I am drag racing a lot, which I am not, and even so the other rear would be just as worn. Of course, no f-ing warranty on OEM tires. Have decided to go with Ultra high performance all seasons when I replace the tires. Can get all 4 replaced with Falkens--which are good tires, for the price of the two rear Pirellis. And the other benefit is being able to drive the car on clear, but cold days. We get a lot of sunny days in the 30s in CO--too cold for summer tires. Anyway, really says a lot for Pirelli. Never had wear like this on any performance tire--Michelin, Good Year or Kumho. Even track tires last longer than this sometimes.

[jimbethesda]

You spend $80k or so on a high performance car, then cheap out and get all season tires?

You do want you want, obviously. Seems like a bad choice to me.

[Mraceguy]

You must have been doing something. My car came with Pirellis and they lasted 11.5k miles with numerous launches and spirited driving. I ended up going with the PS4S this time around.

[Indo Rider]

Originally Posted by Mraceguy

You must have been doing something. My car came with Pirellis and they lasted 11.5k miles with numerous launches and spirited driving. I ended up going with the PS4S this time around.

Yeah, something doesn't add up. I'm actively trying to burn up my stock rear pirellis, spinning them and doing power slides every time I drive the car and they are still not quite done with over 10k miles on them...

I'm certainly ready to be done with them though, and won't be buying more on my own dime.

[modat]

10k miles and I still have 4mm on the rear and 5 on the front

[Drillbit02]

8k miles with plenty of tread left in the rears. Pzeros as well.

Sounds like you might have an alignment issue.

[Forzanerazzurri]

That's not normal. That said, physics are physics if you're searching for a long wearing performance tire you are sacrificing grip. If you're looking for performance, switching to PS4s because you think they last longer is a bit ironic.

[Indo Rider]

Also, you really shouldn't need the dealer to inform you that 1 of 4 tires is at the wear bars. Just sayin, gotta keep an eye on such things.

[shawndean22]

I am at 7500 miles and they are about half. Depends how you drive, but yes Pzeros are soft and wear quick in general.

[OC_M3CX]

The Pirellis are shit. I just had my oil changed on Monday, 5000 miles service, and the mechanic at the dealership shared a video that shows 5mm on the fronts and 4mm on the rears. I had an alignment done 2 days after I lowered the car at 1500 miles. I’ve never seen this kind of wear on any of the 20 cars I’ve owned. Switching to new wheels with Michelins next month

[Forzanerazzurri]

Originally Posted by OC_M3CX

The Pirellis are shit. I just had my oil changed on Monday, 5000 miles service, and the mechanic at the dealership shared a video that shows 5mm on the fronts and 4mm on the rears. I had an alignment done 2 days after I lowered the car at 1500 miles. I’ve never seen this kind of wear on any of the 20 cars I’ve owned. Switching to new wheels with Michelins next month

Settle down Tokyo Drift. Good luck with your new Michelins and their mushy sidewalls and peeling outer tread.

[Anderson11]

I picked up a set of Pirellis from a forum member with 200 +/- miles for $500.00. Lots of dealer swap outs to all seasons so the tires are dumped ASAP. The tires are being stored on a tire rack in my basement next to my winter wheel set up with Pilot Alpin 4s. I really like the performance of the PZero's and the back up set price. LOL....

[vetteflier]

Well...first, as I said, with A/S tires, I can drive the car year round in Colorado--many sunny but upper 20s-low 30s days that Summer Tires can't be used, but A/S can. Not "cheaping out," (lol--if I lived in Austin, would not consider A/S) but considering getting a great Tire Rack price on Falkens--which were bought by Sumitomo as their high performance brand. These are ZR rated, ultra high performance with 50k mileage warranty and 2 year road hazard comped. As they are an OEM to Porsche, can't be too bad...and I know a lot of guys that run them on Muscle Cars,just like Kumhos.

I don't know why the wear. Never seen anything like it, but obviously, the P-Zero sucks. Fronts are good for another 8000 probably, and no alignment issue as wear is even across all the tires. I do check but concentrate more on the fronts for unusual wear. Just quick glance at the rear. Anyway, the only thing I can think of is I keep my tires--all 4, inflated 2# over recommendation year round. But why a right rear wore quicker than the left is still a mystery to me.

[Forzanerazzurri]

Originally Posted by vetteflier

Well...first, as I said, with A/S tires, I can drive the car year round in Colorado--many sunny but upper 20s-low 30s days that Summer Tires can't be used, but A/S can. Not "cheaping out," (lol--if I lived in Austin, would not consider A/S) but considering getting a great Tire Rack price on Falkens--which were bought by Sumitomo as their high performance brand. These are ZR rated, ultra high performance with 50k mileage warranty and 2 year road hazard comped. As they are an OEM to Porsche, can't be too bad...and I know a lot of guys that run them on Muscle Cars,just like Kumhos.

I don't know why the wear. Never seen anything like it, but obviously, the P-Zero sucks. Fronts are good for another 8000 probably, and no alignment issue as wear is even across all the tires. I do check but concentrate more on the fronts for unusual wear. Just quick glance at the rear. Anyway, the only thing I can think of is I keep my tires--all 4, inflated 2# over recommendation year round. But why a right rear wore quicker than the left is still a mystery to me.

Pzeros are the OEM tire for more hyper cars than any other tire/brand. They are literally king of the hill in that regard.

[Reprosal]

I am in the predicament where we got a freak snowfall warning and I am stuck with summers until I can find a winter set or replace the MSPS4 OEM for DSW06’s.

Will plan on continentals in summer/fringe weather and winter (once I find a deal, don’t care about brand)

[Indo Rider]

Originally Posted by Forzanerazzurri

Settle down Tokyo Drift. Good luck with your new Michelins and their mushy sidewalls and peeling outer tread.

Lol. I do find it hilarious that people are bashing any tire just based on tread life. That's like the very last characteristic of a tire I'm interested in. Give me performance first, then I'll decide if it's worth it based on cost over time. I'm not loving the pirellis, but they are not that bad. I just need something softer, sticker, and no doubt with shorter tread life, lol.

[shawndean22]

Pirellis are good tires especially new. They just wear quick because they are soft, almost impossible to have the perfect tire that does not wear fast if you want grip.

[BIGW0RM]

Originally Posted by Forzanerazzurri

Settle down Tokyo Drift. Good luck with your new Michelins and their mushy sidewalls and peeling outer tread.

What? You crazy.

Ive never had a single issue with Michelins. Ive had Pzeros 2 times now and both times mine lasted 5-6K driving 10 miles a day like an old lady.

So I agree with the other guys that Pzeros dont last. Plus they rub on lowered G80's. I cant wait to get Michelins.

[Forzanerazzurri]

Originally Posted by BIGW0RM

What? You crazy.

Ive never had a single issue with Michelins. Ive had Pzeros 2 times now and both times mine lasted 5-6K driving 10 miles a day like an old lady.

So I agree with the other guys that Pzeros dont last. Plus they rub on lowered G80's. I cant wait to get Michelins.

Physics. You can't have long wear and grip. It's a ratio. The Pzeros are a better performing tire than the Michelins because they are softer. They also have stiffer sidewalls which is why they tend to offer a better steering feel. As a consequence they probably wear out a bit faster. I don't know how I can make that any more clear. Maybe you should get some Pimacys or something that last 60,000 miles.

Also, please don't Google ps4s peeling or Pilot Sport peeling. You wouldn't want to be informed about how shit Michelin tires can really be.

[BIGW0RM]

Originally Posted by Forzanerazzurri

Physics. You can't have long wear and grip. It's a ratio. The Pzeros are a better performing tire than the Michelins because they are softer. They also have stiffer sidewalls which is why they tend to offer a better steering feel. As a consequence they probably wear out a bit faster. I don't know how I can make that any more clear. Maybe you should get some Pimacys or something that last 60,000 miles.

Also, please don't Google ps4s peeling or Pilot Sport peeling. You wouldn't want to be informed about how shit Michelin tires can really be.

Im not arguing what tire is better. That's all subjective opinion. Im simply saying that between the two brands. I have found that Michelins last much longer, fit better and look better.

And like most other members here, I am just daily driving. I am not pushing the limits of my tires as it is. So its not like there is this SUPER drastic change in feel. Most wouldn't even tell a difference. And then there is p zero rubbing issues with lowered G80.

So to me, there are four things that make the Pzero not liked by me.

1.) I cant tell a difference between the two with how I drive
2.) When lowered, Pzero rub, Michelins dont.
3.) Michelins have always last longer for me.
4.) P zero buldges out a lot. Looks like nascar tire. Michelins look much nicer on the front wheels.

So for me, I dont like Pzero even if the Hypercars use them. But whatever. You like what you want and I will like what I want and who cares?

[vetteflier]

Originally Posted by Forzanerazzurri

Pzeros are the OEM tire for more hyper cars than any other tire/brand. They are literally king of the hill in that regard.

Yeah, great reputation which is why I didn't feel bad about getting them instead of the Michelins. But--I obviously got a--probably rare, bad one, and that shades my opinion of them. Don't track and want all season capability. It's not just temperature, but in CO you can get hit with a freak, unforecast snow storm or a downpour. All Seasons obviate the risk. If I saw a compelling reason to buy Michelin or another top tier A/S, I would. But the simple fact is the differences in the areas I care about between Falkens and Michelins isn't worth paying another $300-400 just for the name and 2 tenths on a skidpad. Again, just my opinion.

[Reprosal]

I am still trying to find out how much difference there is using xdrive launch control with all seasons vs. pure summers.