[beammeupscottie]

Just curious; is the next logical path for the X3M to electrify the S58? That is; like the LCI X5M; V8 + electric motor the X3M gets the inline 6 (S58) + electric motor??? There seems to be huge gap between the new X5M and X3M and I heard all M’s are going hybrid. Any news? Or info as to if or when? 🤷🏽‍♂️

[Scottycs19]

22+ are already the mild hybrid system.

[beammeupscottie]

Originally Posted by Scottycs19

22+ are already the mild hybrid system.

I have a ‘22 X3M Comp and it’s not a hybrid; you mean the ‘24 X5M, right?

[ZCPM4]

Originally Posted by beammeupscottie

I have a ‘22 X3M Comp and it’s not a hybrid; you mean the ‘24 X5M, right?

Same. None of the current X3Ms have hybrids

[beammeupscottie]

Originally Posted by ZCPM4

Same. None of the current X3Ms have hybrids

I’m wondering what an electric motor would do for the X3M performance wise…

[YolkyPalky]

Originally Posted by beammeupscottie

I’m wondering what an electric motor would do for the X3M performance wise…

Maybe not much as the added battery weight might negate any performance improvements, other than better fuel mpg perhaps.

[ZCPM4]

Originally Posted by beammeupscottie

I’m wondering what an electric motor would do for the X3M performance wise…

In theory it could eliminate turbo lag from a standstill, although I feel like it would feel a bit odd to hit the gas and not hear the engine roar at takeoff. I guess they could pump in more fake sound though.

Things can get faster, but can you really tell the difference between a 3.2 0-60 and 3.8, for example? Seems like we’re approaching the point of diminishing returns with hybrid/electric.

Will be interesting to see how the X5M does it.

[Kevin_The_Clean1]

The X3 M is roughly 4,600 lbs. And they don't call in the M3 of the SUV world for nothing. The last things this cars needs is 400-500 lbs of batteries & an electric motor. No thank you to a F97 successor being a hybrid. But then again, this may make me love my current non-LCI X3 MC even more. LOL

[ZCPM4]

Originally Posted by Kevin_The_Clean1

The X3 M is roughly 4,600 lbs. And they don't call in the M3 of the SUV world for nothing. The last things this cars needs is 400-500 lbs of batteries & an electric motor. No thank you to a F97 successor being a hybrid. But then again, this may make me love my current non-LCI X3 MC even more. LOL

Seeing that they’re putting that giant screen and eliminating most physical buttons in other models already makes me love my X3MC even more, haha. I feel like this is the last best model.

[SCCThree]

I think the next powertrain will be hybrid. BMW already stated that the G87 M2 is the last ICE BMW. It'll be interesting to see what they come up with!

[beammeupscottie]

Originally Posted by SCCThree

I think the next powertrain will be hybrid. BMW already stated that the G87 M2 is the last ICE BMW. It'll be interesting to see what they come up with!

This is my point; I agree…looking forward to what they come up with. Perhaps I’ll keep my current X3MC if what they come up with isn’t my jam.

[YolkyPalky]

Since they already did LCI on X3M, we’re talking years away though right? It likely wouldn’t come until after EOP for the F97 right? It would come with whatever the next generation X3’s are called?

[harperium]

EOP on the F97 is 2024 right? The new X3 is due in 2024, and so I would expect the G97 X3M to be 2025 model year. I would look to the upcoming G90 M5 as the benchmark for PHEV M cars. Once we know deets on that, we can officially start despairing. I hope to god BMW doesn't have the same fast-in-a-line-but-heavy-as-a-pig driving dynamics as the new AMG C63S (4 pot PHEV).

Heresy to say this, but the S58 could benefit from some electric torque below 3000 RPMs. HOWEVER, I would MUCH rather deal with the lack of low end grunt than have 500 extra lbs and noticeably less cargo space. Give me pure ICE all day long. F*ck EVs.

There's actually some promising developments with carbon-neutral fuels; plus hydrogen ICE. Long term I think ICE will live on. But near term, we are probably going to have 1 or 2 generations of PHEV M cars.

[Scottycs19]

LCI are all the mild hybrid 48v system on standard X3s and M40is. Most of the articles also include the X3m, but it looks like they are not included.

https://autobuzz.my/2021/06/09/new-b...ngine-options/

Honestly a hybrid would be awesome. The instant torque of an electric motor would be awesome..

Originally Posted by ZCPM4

Same. None of the current X3Ms have hybrids

[Scottycs19]

Hydrogen ICE? How can you bash EVs and push this garbage. Hydrogen is about as efficient as they come. EVs will be the benchmark and always will, ICE will never touch their performance/speed. As the technology gets better, the gap will only get bigger.

Originally Posted by harperium

EOP on the F97 is 2024 right? The new X3 is due in 2024, and so I would expect the G97 X3M to be 2025 model year. I would look to the upcoming G90 M5 as the benchmark for PHEV M cars. Once we know deets on that, we can officially start despairing. I hope to god BMW doesn't have the same fast-in-a-line-but-heavy-as-a-pig driving dynamics as the new AMG C63S (4 pot PHEV).

Heresy to say this, but the S58 could benefit from some electric torque below 3000 RPMs. HOWEVER, I would MUCH rather deal with the lack of low end grunt than have 500 extra lbs and noticeably less cargo space. Give me pure ICE all day long. F*ck EVs.

There's actually some promising developments with carbon-neutral fuels; plus hydrogen ICE. Long term I think ICE will live on. But near term, we are probably going to have 1 or 2 generations of PHEV M cars.

[ZCPM4]

Originally Posted by Scottycs19

LCI are all the mild hybrid 48v system on standard X3s and M40is. Most of the articles also include the X3m, but it looks like they are not included.

https://autobuzz.my/2021/06/09/new-b...ngine-options/

Honestly a hybrid would be awesome. The instant torque of an electric motor would be awesome..

Right, the M40i and down all have mild hybrids with the B58 or B46 engines. The true M does not have hybrid and has a totally different (S58) engine.

Those auto journalists often don’t play very close attention.

Press releases from BMW for the LCIs, which clearly state which does and doesn’t have hybrid:

Non-M: LCI X3 and X4

Real M: LCI X3M and X4M

Agreed instant torque would be cool, but I can’t imagine how they manage the engine sound at takeoff. Is it silent for the first 3000rpm and then the engine roars to life, or do they pump in tons of fake noise, or what? Seems like it would be really weird.

[harperium]

Originally Posted by Scottycs19

Hydrogen ICE? How can you bash EVs and push this garbage. Hydrogen is about as efficient as they come. EVs will be the benchmark and always will, ICE will never touch their performance/speed. As the technology gets better, the gap will only get bigger.

Not sure what you're getting at, other than having drunk deeply from the well of Musk.

[danniexi]

random thoughts.

1. next gen M5 is rumored to have the same drivetrain as the new XM, so there’s a possibility that the next gen X3M will have a similar hybrid setup in the form of an electric motor + inline six.

2. BMW is weird, but recent history shows us that for some reason, the M SUV lineup is the drivetrain test bed for their M lineup (X5M/XM -> M5, X3M -> M3). It is more than likely that the next gen M3 will have the drivetrain of the X3M as well.

3. I’m all for plug in hybrids. EV driving for local/daily commuting. ICE for the fun. Give me 30-50 miles of EV range and the rest on good ol’ petrol… best of both worlds.

4. my only concern is weight. BMW did so well with the F8x in terms of controlling weight, but it seems like they are putting less emphasis on it and going for straight power. seems like they have no choice but to continue this trend. cars will get heavier and heavier with the addition of batteries.

whatever. all this is speculation and we wont see anything for another 2-3 years.

[PNTDG42]

I already had some questions about the BMW mild hybrid system. This thread put it back into my head, so I was just googling around.

Can anyone confirm if I am correct in what I think I just learned in the BMW 48v tech PDF? (https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/at...3&d=1681407559)

Is it true that the 48v mild hybrid is essentially a 10HP starter motor?

Is it true that it does not engage the flywheel or crankshaft directly like a classic/typical starter motor, but that it cranks the engine through the serpentine belt as a single unit starter/generator?

If these are true, this seems like a simple no-brainer win/win. I feel like with this system already existing in proper refinement, BMW could easily adapt it to other engines like the S58.. and that it probably doesn't add much weight or complexity to the vehicle (on the hardware side at least).

Before looking into it just now, I was previously assuming it was one of those electric motors that replaces the torque converter and starter. The ZF 8HP is already available in this format, which is why I had assumed it. See what I am talking about here: https://www.zf.com/products/en/cars/...automatic.html

Available up to 160kw (215hp), this would be a welcome addition to the X3M as well, pending battery weight.

[YolkyPalky]

Originally Posted by danniexi

random thoughts.

1. next gen M5 is rumored to have the same drivetrain as the new XM, so there’s a possibility that the next gen X3M will have a similar hybrid setup in the form of an electric motor + inline six.

2. BMW is weird, but recent history shows us that for some reason, the M SUV lineup is the drivetrain test bed for their M lineup (X5M/XM -> M5, X3M -> M3). It is more than likely that the next gen M3 will have the drivetrain of the X3M as well.

3. I’m all for plug in hybrids. EV driving for local/daily commuting. ICE for the fun. Give me 30-50 miles of EV range and the rest on good ol’ petrol… best of both worlds.

4. my only concern is weight. BMW did so well with the F8x in terms of controlling weight, but it seems like they are putting less emphasis on it and going for straight power. seems like they have no choice but to continue this trend. cars will get heavier and heavier with the addition of batteries.

whatever. all this is speculation and we wont see anything for another 2-3 years.

I believe it’s been announced, but likely not available until 2030 I think, that BMW is currently working on and refining a quad-motor fully electric M3, which I can’t even imagine the insane power that would have. BMW would probably have to lockdown the ECU or whatever to prevent peeps from “tuning” the throttle mapping as it could be so dangerously fast in the hands of some young nimrod lol.

[danniexi]

Originally Posted by YolkyPalky

I believe it’s been announced, but likely not available until 2030 I think, that BMW is currently working on and refining a quad-motor fully electric M3, which I can’t even imagine the insane power that would have. BMW would probably have to lockdown the ECU or whatever to prevent peeps from “tuning” the throttle mapping as it could be so dangerously fast in the hands of some young nimrod lol.

yes I remember seeing the whole quad motor thing for a next gen M car (whether that's the M3 or not but it did have the G8x body). I assumed the full BEV would be the generation after whatever comes out after G8x, though who knows as of this point.

[YolkyPalky]

Interesting, looks like it’s coming in 3-4 years maybe.

https://www.motor1.com/news/654943/b...ev-spy-photos/

https://www.bmwblog.com/2023/03/01/b...otype-testing/