[aherman18]

Any info if and when the 550e Xdrive will arrive in the US? I have a 530e lease that expires in Feb 2024.

The PHEV is the perfect compromise for me.

Thanks in advance.

[Deho]

For the moment BMW only says "spring" 2024 but insider info said to expect a SOP in november.

[jphcbpa]

Originally Posted by aherman18

Any info if and when the 550e Xdrive will arrive in the US? I have a 530e lease that expires in Feb 2024.

The PHEV is the perfect compromise for me.

Thanks in advance.

from previous info...

[MikeElmendorf]

What do we know/expect of the 550e Xdrive?

[BMW012]

Originally Posted by MikeElmendorf

What do we know/expect of the 550e Xdrive?

the 750e xdrive is already out. so the specs should be close to that.

[Thomas]

Originally Posted by MikeElmendorf

What do we know/expect of the 550e Xdrive?

550e X-Drive:
3-liter straight six with 313hp and 450 Nm combined with 197 hp electric motor, total of 489 hp and 700 Nm.
0-100 km/h in 4.3 seconds and top speed of 250 km/h.
Electric range of 90 km (56 miles).

530e:
4 cilinder with 190 hp combined with 184 hp electric motor, total of 299 hp and 450 Nm.
0-100 km/h in 6.4 seconds and top speed of 230 km/h.
Electric range of 102 km (64 miles).

[BMW012]

Originally Posted by Thomas

550e X-Drive:
3-liter straight six with 313hp and 450 Nm combined with 197 hp electric motor, total of 489 hp and 700 Nm.
0-100 km/h in 4.3 seconds and top speed of 250 km/h.
Electric range of 90 km (56 miles).

530e:
4 cilinder with 190 hp combined with 184 hp electric motor, total of 299 hp and 450 Nm.
0-100 km/h in 6.4 seconds and top speed of 230 km/h.
Electric range of 102 km (64 miles).

where did you get the 0 - 60 on the 550?

[Thomas]

Originally Posted by BMW012

where did you get the 0 - 60 on the 550?

From an article on a Dutch car magazine website called AutoWeek (from the German AutoBild group). Looked like official info.

[tsbrown]

So 0.3 seconds better acceleration from the 550e vs 540ix. Both are probably understated but in everyday driving not a huge advantage. I know there’s more to it than just 0-60 but the weight vs performance trade off isn’t that good? What am I missing?

Btw, I totally get the more power argument after owning E90 M3 for 7 years. It’s just that with hybrids there’s now a big weight penalty with it.

[BMW012]

Originally Posted by tsbrown

So 0.3 seconds better acceleration from the 550e vs 540ix. Both are probably understated but in everyday driving not a huge advantage. I know there’s more to it than just 0-60 but the weight vs performance trade off isn’t that good? What am I missing?

Btw, I totally get the more power argument after owning E90 M3 for 7 years. It’s just that with hybrids there’s now a big weight penalty with it.

56 miles of electric driving if that matters to you.

[tsbrown]

Originally Posted by BMW012

56 miles of electric driving if that matters to you.

It doesn’t. Where I live premium gas and electricity are both cheaper than in most other states, especially CA and the northeast, so it’s marginal benefit to me. But for buyers in those high cost areas I can see it.

[BMW012]

looks like they will have the 550e at the IAA on 9/2

[tsbrown]

There are references to the B58U2 on the 550e and B58M2 on the M560e. The electric motor seems to be the same 197hp so does that mean the B58U2 variant is just detuned or non-turbo?

[BMW012]

so in general, if you dont charge the electric motors, i guess you are only limited to the ice engine and corresponding hp/tq, correct?

[Deho]

Originally Posted by BMW012

so in general, if you dont charge the electric motors, i guess you are only limited to the ice engine and corresponding hp/tq, correct?

Unless you are in an extreme situation where the battery goes to zero (which the car is designed not to let happen, with regenerative breaking and a power reserve), maybe, but as an ex-owner of a 530e and current owner of the MINI Countryman PHEV I can say this never happened to me. So the available power is always combined; the battery is never completely empty.

If you'd like a concrete example I had this happen with both PHEVs: when your battery gets low (let's say 5%) the car stops allowing EV mode and switches to hybrid. So let's say you drive around in town and get to 5%: the engine automatically switches on and in every occasion it gets the car regenerates the battery (everytime you slow down). Also a power reserve which you can't access keeps the battery charged enough to get the help from the electric motor you need to assist the engine. But let's say you decide to then hit the highway and floor it for a while, without the opportunity to regenerate the battery. When that happens, the car seems to use part of the energy of the engine to keep the battery above 0%, because even then you never lose the assistance of the electric motor. The battery even charges faster if you use sport mode.

So yeah, speaking from personal experience, the ICE is never completely working alone.

[BMW012]

Originally Posted by Deho

Unless you are in an extreme situation where the battery goes to zero (which the car is designed not to let happen, with regenerative breaking and a power reserve), maybe, but as an ex-owner of a 530e and current owner of the MINI Countryman PHEV I can say this never happened to me. So the available power is always combined; the battery is never completely empty.

If you'd like a concrete example I had this happen with both PHEVs: when your battery gets low (let's say 5%) the car stops allowing EV mode and switches to hybrid. So let's say you drive around in town and get to 5%: the engine automatically switches on and in every occasion it gets the car regenerates the battery (everytime you slow down). Also a power reserve which you can't access keeps the battery charged enough to get the help from the electric motor you need to assist the engine. But let's say you decide to then hit the highway and floor it for a while, without the opportunity to regenerate the battery. When that happens, the car seems to use part of the energy of the engine to keep the battery above 0%, because even then you never lose the assistance of the electric motor. The battery even charges faster if you use sport mode.

So yeah, speaking from personal experience, the ICE is never completely working alone.

Thanks! definitely dont want the hassle of charging the motor and also putting gas in the car, so not sure if the 550e is really an option for me. but want to know how much benefit I can get out of the 550e if i really skip the charging lol

[Deho]

Originally Posted by BMW012

Thanks! definitely dont want the hassle of charging the motor and also putting gas in the car, so not sure if the 550e is really an option for me. but want to know how much benefit I can get out of the 550e if i really skip the charging lol

I don't want to be judgemental, but charging is simple, really, unless you absolutely have no access to any form of power outlet. Remember that with a PHEV charging overnight using a simple 110v plug is usually enough to get a full charge in the morning.

I don't know how you use your car, but if you charge on a regular (or even irregular) basis, every mile you roll on electric power is about 400 grams of carbon dioxide you don't dump in the air we breathe. And even if you live in a place where electricity is made from fossil fuel, you still contribute to cleaner air, because fossil fuel plants are still way more efficient than ICE vehicles. And that's saying nothing about the small money savings that add up (since in most places domestic electricity is way cheaper than gas).

[G30 545e]

Originally Posted by Deho

I don't want to be judgemental, but charging is simple, really, unless you absolutely have no access to any form of power outlet. Remember that with a PHEV charging overnight using a simple 110v plug is usually enough to get a full charge in the morning.

I don't know how you use your car, but if you charge on a regular (or even irregular) basis, every mile you roll on electric power is about 400 grams of carbon dioxide you don't dump in the air we breathe. And even if you live in a place where electricity is made from fossil fuel, you still contribute to cleaner air, because fossil fuel plants are still way more efficient than ICE vehicles. And that's saying nothing about the small money savings that add up (since in most places domestic electricity is way cheaper than gas).

I can second all of the above. I have a 545e with about 45km range on the 12kW battery. I have done a price comparison and when I charge the car during the day at the high tariff price, I am still saving money over the ICE by about 20%. I do my majority of charging during the night at a half price tariff and really save big over using the ICE. I have done about 40,000km in total in the car since I purchased it and about 2/3rds of that on electric only.

When the 550e comes out it will have about 100km of electric range and I expect savings on fuel costs to increase substantially because I won't have to charge it up during the day at all. 🙂

[aherman18]

Any confirmation that either 550e xdrive or M560e are coming to the US?

Expected order dates?

Thanks,

Andrew

[BMW012]

Originally Posted by aherman18

Any confirmation that either 550e xdrive or M560e are coming to the US?

Expected order dates?

Thanks,

Andrew

seems like the 550e is confirmed for now and will be around 3/24, the 560e if anything will not be revealed till like july 2024, if its even happening.

the 550e should be revealed in the IAA, which is over this weekend.

[AP]

I’m going to the IAA so will hopefully get the chance to see the g60 in the metal.
Whilst it’s not to my liking personally for many reasons, still interested to see and see where bmw are going, whether good or bad ( in my opinion)

[MikeElmendorf]

I am told by good authority that the M560E will be coming in the next model year.