[starstreak]

Anybody listened to these yet? I noticed the i5 has 1 dual voice coil sub in the trunk, but the regular 5 series has two subs under both front seats. Are these better than the H&K? They both seem to have close to the same wattage. 600+.

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by starstreak

Anybody listened to these yet? I noticed the i5 has 1 dual voice coil sub in the trunk, but the regular 5 series has two subs under both front seats. Are these better than the H&K? They both seem to have close to the same wattage. 600+.

I would presume so... Difference is due to the battery in the floor.

Time will tell the newer B&Ws have all sounded good, however this system isn't as high end as others on the past (power and speaker count wise).

[BMW-X]

I am assuming they are using a more efficient system as far as watts go so it does not drain as much on the battery since that is more important then on gas cars. BMW does downgrade stuff sometimes, but I doubt B&W is going to put there name on something that sounds like crap.

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by BMW-X

I am assuming they are using a more efficient system as far as watts go so it does not drain as much on the battery since that is more important then on gas cars. BMW does downgrade stuff sometimes, but I doubt B&W is going to put there name on something that sounds like crap.

Agree fully

[BimmerBahn]

Originally Posted by BMW-X

I am assuming they are using a more efficient system as far as watts go so it does not drain as much on the battery since that is more important then on gas cars. BMW does downgrade stuff sometimes, but I doubt B&W is going to put there name on something that sounds like crap.

Everything but the drivetrain runs off 12V... the draw on the HV battery from the sound system is light... 600 watts peak in a system that has a 84,000 watt-hour battery... not an issue

[BMW-X]

Originally Posted by BimmerBahn

Everything but the drivetrain runs off 12V... the draw on the HV battery from the sound system is light... 600 watts peak in a system that has a 84,000 watt-hour battery... not an issue

There are tons of articles where they have studied the biggest draws outside the engine on electric cars. The stereo is always at the top of the list because the 12v is trickle charged from the high-voltage battery since there is no alternator. They even did a study where they have proven the type of music effected real world range.

https://www.electrichybridvehicletec...ing-range.html

[Danyal.N55]

I assume the B&W will sound amazing, but what truly got me shocked was the Harman Kardon System has 12 Speakers and 205 watts..? So we went down from 600, to 464, to 205 Something isn’t adding up, Thoughts?

[BMW-X]

Originally Posted by Danyal.N55

I assume the B&W will sound amazing, but what truly got me shocked was the Harman Kardon System has 12 Speakers and 205 watts..? So we went down from 600, to 464, to 205 Something isn’t adding up, Thoughts?

The one thing that does bother me about the B&W is that it’s only Logic 7, and that is the same as the Harman Kardan evidently.

[Danyal.N55]

Originally Posted by BMW-X

The one thing that does bother me about the B&W is that it’s only Logic 7, and that is the same as the Harman Kardan evidently.

Well, I mean B&W and HK are both under the umbrella of HARMAN International and the B&W in the G60 is overall I can assume lower end cause of the price you have to pay and the RMS Wattage count and lack of Speakers.

[Flamingi]

There was a thread somewhere discussing this already. Bascially from all the specs it's just a rebrand. G30 B&W does not have an equivalent in the G60, the old H&K is now B&W, old unbranded HiFi is now H&K. That means high-end audio option was cut, I presume because the takerate was very low on the 5 series, it's even a rarely specced option on the 7. I wonder if it's possible to retrofit a 7 series B&W system...

Originally Posted by arkhi

Here's more proof that the G60 B&W is just an H/K rebrand:

https://www.bowerswilkins.com/en-us/collaborations/bmw

You can look at the tech specs. The G30 H/K used Logic 7, while the B&W used Quantum Logic. The latter is now only with the "Diamond system".

To get a better view, compare the Tech Specs for the i5, i7, and G30 and you can see the "classic" B&W was so much better.

Edit:
G30 H/K specs:
https://www.harmankardon.com/bmw-5-series-sedan.html

7x 25 mm Aluminum dome tweeters, dashboard, front, side & rear
7x 100 mm mid-range speakers, dashboard, front, side & rear
2x 217 mm subwoofers (central bass), below the front seats
Harman Kardon Logic 7® DSP amplifier in Class-D technology with 600-watt total output

G60 B&W specs:
4x 100mm Continuum™ midrange speaker
3x 100mm Midrange speakers
7x 25mm Aluminium tweeters
2x 50x80mm Dual balanced woofers
1x 200mm Dual voice coil subwoofer
Output: 655W
Logic® 7

G30 B&W specs:
2x 25mm Diamond Nautilus® tweeters (illuminated)
5x 25mm Aluminum dome tweeters
7x 100mm Aramid fiber midrange drivers (4 of which are illuminated)
2x 217mm Rohacell central bass subwoofers
Output: 1375W
QuantumLogic® Surround

[DHDCF]

I'm really hoping it sounds as good as the one I had in my 23 m8 gc. Easily the best sounding system I've ever had. Could rip it up and it'd start hurting before it'd distort.

[TakeshiJin]

Originally Posted by Flamingi

There was a thread somewhere discussing this already. Bascially from all the specs it's just a rebrand. G30 B&W does not have an equivalent in the G60, the old H&K is now B&W, old unbranded HiFi is now H&K. That means high-end audio option was cut, I presume because the takerate was very low on the 5 series, it's even a rarely specced option on the 7. I wonder if it's possible to retrofit a 7 series B&W system...

Honestly they can call it a B&W sound system because they literally threw in 4 continuum speakers aka the Aramid Fiber speakers which will be placed in each door. That's realistically the only upgrade lol.... However, because they now use B&W proprietary Continuum speakers they are allowed to call it a B&W system. The $75 increase is most likely due to 4x better mid-range speaker cost (literally 10-$20 per speaker our msrp) + 2x dual balance woofer , and a slightly fancier grill. However, we all know the AMP IS LITERALLY THE EXACT SAME LOGIC 7 D.S.P. THING from the Previous HK except with a bigger BOOSTER element to handle more RMS from only the two new dual balance woofers and the same old under-seat subs and new continuum speakers. Regular 5 series will have 18 speakers vs I5's 17 speakers.

However you're not getting any Double Dome or Diamond Dome Tweeter's ... shoot your not even getting the Rohacell subs which produces the Bass thumb over the regular HK's that people complain has no bass. So you lost the high's clarity at the highest and also the punchy thumping tight lows and retained essentially only kept 4/7 of the MIDs. At $950 it's good but hey we all know it's not a TRUE B&W's period!

[Scrapula]

I am hoping it is decent. Moving from an 825 watt Meridian in my Jaguar, which sounds incredible.

[CaboM4]

The system in the i5 M60 is the same as the base i7 system. It's okay, but it's a shame they didn't offer the B&W Diamond for the G60, like they did on the G30. It's like they want this car to be mediocre for $100k

[Eric500]

based on the price and specs, we're going to be severely disappointed. the BW in the G30 was great. This upcoming one is going to be bad

[alewifebp]

If you look at the B&W as replacing HK, it compares favorably.

Just like with the lack of certain features, like massaging seats, leather dash, or even the full M sport professional on the M60, it could be just a delayed feature option. Or, let's consider that the general take rate in the US on sedans is waning, and if you want the higher end specs, you need to get a X5, which has more of these luxury options available.

[G35c6MT]

Originally Posted by alewifebp

If you look at the B&W as replacing HK, it compares favorably.

Just like with the lack of certain features, like massaging seats, leather dash, or even the full M sport professional on the M60, it could be just a delayed feature option. Or, let's consider that the general take rate in the US on sedans is waning, and if you want the higher end specs, you need to get a X5, which has more of these luxury options available.

What’s missing from the M Sport package on the M60?

[alewifebp]

I forgot where I saw it, but an additional package will be available. Other cars offer the Adaptive M Pro package. It includes ARS, plus more controls and adjustments.

[G35c6MT]

Originally Posted by alewifebp

I forgot where I saw it, but an additional package will be available. Other cars offer the Adaptive M Pro package. It includes ARS, plus more controls and adjustments.

I didn’t realize this was missing/delayed feature for now. Hugely disappointed and might cancel my order over this. Car is at port and expected here end of Oct.

[alewifebp]

So according to the press release from BMW NA, integral active steering is included. Active Roll Stabilization is delayed.

https://g60.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=2019783

[claykin]

Originally Posted by BMW-X

I am assuming they are using a more efficient system as far as watts go so it does not drain as much on the battery since that is more important then on gas cars. BMW does downgrade stuff sometimes, but I doubt B&W is going to put there name on something that sounds like crap.

B&W has changed hands twice since BMW began their licensing deal with them. In 2020 B&W parent corp was sold to Sound United (more recent owners of Denon, Marantz, Polk, Boston Acoustics, etc). Then in 2022 Sound United was sold to Masimo, a medical monitoring technology company. It would be anyone's guess as to what Masimo intends to do with these audio brands.

I ordered the relatively inexpensive B&W option for a 530i that is currently sitting at the Bremerhaven port awaiting a ship to Brunswick, GA. While I'm sure it will sound better than the base HK system, I'm not expecting anything similar to the B&W system in the G30. Surprise me BMW!

[TakeshiJin]

So I went to Peter Pan BMW I5 Reveal, Paired my phone and got to know the system. Three thoughts.

1. Bass Vibrated to distortion disaster, not punchy, not clean, not tight. Just a bunch of vibration brrrr......
2. Mid's were the most decent thing in this 655 Watt sound system it was clean but not crystal clean.
3. High's literally the same as every other Harman Kardon just average.

Hence it's a Harman Kardon system with 4 continuum speakers slapped onto it. With some of the worse represented Bass I've heard in a system.

Originally Posted by TakeshiJin

Honestly they can call it a B&W sound system because they literally threw in 4 continuum speakers aka the Aramid Fiber speakers which will be placed in each door. That's realistically the only upgrade lol.... However, because they now use B&W proprietary Continuum speakers they are allowed to call it a B&W system. The $75 increase is most likely due to 4x better mid-range speaker cost (literally 10-$20 per speaker our msrp) + 2x dual balance woofer , and a slightly fancier grill. However, we all know the AMP IS LITERALLY THE EXACT SAME LOGIC 7 D.S.P. THING from the Previous HK except with a bigger BOOSTER element to handle more RMS from only the two new dual balance woofers and the same old under-seat subs and new continuum speakers. Regular 5 series will have 18 speakers vs I5's 17 speakers.

However you're not getting any Double Dome or Diamond Dome Tweeter's ... shoot your not even getting the Rohacell subs which produces the Bass thumb over the regular HK's that people complain has no bass. So you lost the high's clarity at the highest and also the punchy thumping tight lows and retained essentially only kept 4/7 of the MIDs. At $950 it's good but hey we all know it's not a TRUE B&W's period!