[TXSTYLE]

We all have and share our opinions here and abroad.

Today this young lady shares her opinion, (and some facts) on the CyberTruck.
And I wholeheartedly agree with her and the marketing strategies of this vehicle and the target demographic who purchase it.
Thoughts?

[NickyC]

Didn't watch the video, however I can't help but smile every time I see one on the road. They're just so ridiculous looking, but I love the new retro wave stuff and the CT looks straight out of it.

[dreamingat30fps]

I only made it a minute and a half in but couldn't listen to her anymore when she kept saying fake rich flexing or whatever it was.

Most all expensive cars are for "fake rich flexing" or even real rich flexing I'm sure. You think the idiots driving up and down south beach in Ferraris and Lamborghinis are actually enjoying those cars for their performance.

That being said I'm not sure why people are so shocked Tesla made the cybertruck. Their third car was a fucking minivan with falcon wing doors. Their best selling cars basically just have a giant screen for the interior, newer models don't even have stalks and for a while they actually put freaking yolk steering wheels as standard.

While I may not be a fan of the design of the cybertruck (although I honestly don't hate it as much as I did when it came out) and I think a yolk steering wheel is a horrible design... I'm glad someone is doing it. I'm a fan of "different" types of car. Or like Doug would say I like quirks and features.

If the "fake rich" need to fund crazy shit like the cybertruck then go for it. There is also a lot of cool tech in the cybertruck that may eventually make it's way into the regular folk models which I'm also looking forward to.

[brianeck]

Everytime I see one in a parking space I laugh. There was one 3 cars down from me sticking way out at the newark airport terminal lot this morning.

I'm pretty sure my 340ix has 2x more space than the truck bed when I fold down my seats.

If nothing else they certainly make a statement for the sake of making a statement. Its like having a car covered in 2 elections ago bumper stickers - at some point you just want people to know you're an asshat from a safe distance.

[Tambohamilton]

Top of the related videos was this:

For once I agree with the algorithm

[BlkGS]

I saw a green CT the other day on the back of a truck. It had a neat matte paint or wrap on it. Once I got up a little closer I realized it was a WM truck carrying a pair of dumpsters.

Every time I see them I feel bad for the people who bought them. They're either incredibly insecure and need attention, or stupid and thought they'd be able to flip it for a profit.

[DrVenture]

Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

...

Most all expensive cars are for "fake rich flexing" or even real rich flexing I'm sure.

...

Yes, indeed. And most social media is basically a way to participate in some form of flexing.

[c1pher]

I don’t consider it a real truck. Too many compromises. To get a sense of how popular they are, look at the residual values. They are not impressive.

[TXSTYLE]

Originally Posted by c1pher

I don’t consider it a real truck. Too many compromises. To get a sense of how popular they are, look at the residual values. They are not impressive.

Agreed. It's an absurd, non purpose built, way overpriced, ridiculous, "look at me vehicle".

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by c1pher

I don’t consider it a real truck. Too many compromises. To get a sense of how popular they are, look at the residual values. They are not impressive.

While I would agree, I also think that what anyone considers a "real" truck is very subjective. I mean I've seen people on rennlist refer to the Cayenne as a truck. Many "real" truck owners wouldn't consider half the trucks out there to be real... like the Honda Ridgeline or the Ford Maverick.

However if all you need a truck for is home depot runs or towing your small boat or camper to the boat ramp or campground then maybe those trucks are real to you.

For me if it can't haul a 32' travel trailer across the country then it's not a "real" truck. If/when I sell my travel trailer then my definition will probably change.

Originally Posted by TXSTYLE

Agreed. It's an absurd, non purpose built, way overpriced, ridiculous, "look at me vehicle".

I do find it ironic to see people on a BMW discussing "look at me" vehicles... pretty sure BMW was one of the OGs of look at me vehicles.

[TXSTYLE]

Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

While I would agree, I also think that what anyone considers a "real" truck is very subjective.
I do find it ironic to see people on a BMW discussing "look at me" vehicles... pretty sure BMW was one of the OGs of look at me vehicles.

You may believe BMW is a "look at me vehicle". I don't.

Bimmers are super common these days. I happen to be brand loyal for nearly 2 decades. I've owned 6 of them. I enjoy the overall brand, heritage, driving dynamics, comfort, performance, and looks.

I am pretty certain neither of my current Bimmers would draw nearly as much attention as these stainless steel, hexagon, behemoths.
If I were given one, I'd immediately sell it. It's just ridiculous to me.

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by TXSTYLE

You may believe BMW is a "look at me vehicle". I don't.

Bimmers are super common these days. I happen to be brand loyal for nearly 2 decades. I've owned 6 of them. I enjoy the overall brand, heritage, driving dynamics, comfort, performance, and looks.

I am pretty certain neither of my current Bimmers would draw nearly as much attention as these stainless steel, hexagon, behemoths.
If I were given one, I'd immediately sell it. It's just ridiculous to me.

That's your opinion. One mans junk is another man treasure and all that.

What I can say is I've been around here long enough to have seen enough of your posts to know with pretty good certainty you're not about that subtle life.

[c1pher]

Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

While I would agree, I also think that what anyone considers a "real" truck is very subjective. I mean I've seen people on rennlist refer to the Cayenne as a truck. Many "real" truck owners wouldn't consider half the trucks out there to be real... like the Honda Ridgeline or the Ford Maverick.

However if all you need a truck for is home depot runs or towing your small boat or camper to the boat ramp or campground then maybe those trucks are real to you.

For me if it can't haul a 32' travel trailer across the country then it's not a "real" truck. If/when I sell my travel trailer then my definition will probably change.



I do find it ironic to see people on a BMW discussing "look at me" vehicles... pretty sure BMW was one of the OGs of look at me vehicles.

Until I bought a Super Duty, I thought an F-150 was a real truck too. I didn’t realize just how much beefier a Super Duty over the “light duty” version.

[bw]

For me the issue I have with this specific vehicle is that, in my opinion, it should never have made it into production. I consider myself a "car person" and I maintain a level of trust and respect for the people who design and build cars. I assume that cars that make it into production have gone through some kind of rigorous testing and design review. Granted, that doesn't mean that I love every car, that every car is a marvel, et cetera -- there are plenty of failed designs, lemons, and so forth. But each of those has been the product of an authentic process -- a team of people with an objective and a set of resources and limitations. This does not produce perfection, of course, but in every car I can feel the human sensibility behind it.

When I look at a cybertruck I do not feel this human sensibility. To my eye the visual design is arbitrary; what I have observed of its performance (from reviews, not from direct experience) is that it fails to achieve what its visual design (flawed as it is) appears to promise. It is not communicating the craftsmanship and attention to detail and purpose that a good car design team should deliver.

My gut reaction to the cybertruck is that it was pushed into production based on Elon Musk's determination and not because the design and capabilities were worthy (so to speak) of being offered to the public. And as a car person, I resent this -- it breaks the contract that I perceive between the car industry and consumers (and that Tesla has honored with its other vehicles). I feel a pulse of anger when I see a cybertruck because deep down I think these cars do not deserve to exist. In my opinion Elon Musk bypassed a process that I respect and appreciate, and I suspect that those who crow about the cybertruck don't care about the vehicle itself but rather are celebrating the joy of thumbing their noses at the entire auto industry and at people like me.

These are my own irrational opinions and I can't defend them with logic, but this thread prompted me to try to articulate something I've been pondering for a while.

[c1pher]

Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

While I would agree, I also think that what anyone considers a "real" truck is very subjective. I mean I've seen people on rennlist refer to the Cayenne as a truck. Many "real" truck owners wouldn't consider half the trucks out there to be real... like the Honda Ridgeline or the Ford Maverick.

However if all you need a truck for is home depot runs or towing your small boat or camper to the boat ramp or campground then maybe those trucks are real to you.

For me if it can't haul a 32' travel trailer across the country then it's not a "real" truck. If/when I sell my travel trailer then my definition will probably change.



I do find it ironic to see people on a BMW discussing "look at me" vehicles... pretty sure BMW was one of the OGs of look at me vehicles.

Sure certain BMWs are status vehicles for people, just like Mercedes, Lexus, Audi, Cadillac etc. However, BMW is still considered, although waning, a performance vehicle oriented builder. It’s common sense that no one wants to drive an ugly car, so by extension everyone is buying look at me cars. The Pontiac Aztec was apparently a capable SUV…..no one bought it.

[Murf the Surf]

I'm not a fan of the Cybertruck, it just doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Having said that much of what she says could be said about any luxury or conspicuous item that many owners have for no other reason than to display "wealth".

[BeEmVe]

A few random thoughts after seeing several in the urban wild. The CT is basically a fugly oversized SUV that stands out (which was the goal). It is no more a truck than my Land Cruiser which some enthusiasts seem to think it is. That said it would be fitting of the following bumper sticker:

"If you had a small penis, you would need a cyber truck too."


At one point there was a no resale clause in the purchase contract.

[Efthreeoh]

A social media flexing video about fake rich flexing...

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by bw

For me the issue I have with this specific vehicle is that, in my opinion, it should never have made it into production. I consider myself a "car person" and I maintain a level of trust and respect for the people who design and build cars. I assume that cars that make it into production have gone through some kind of rigorous testing and design review. Granted, that doesn't mean that I love every car, that every car is a marvel, et cetera -- there are plenty of failed designs, lemons, and so forth. But each of those has been the product of an authentic process -- a team of people with an objective and a set of resources and limitations. This does not produce perfection, of course, but in every car I can feel the human sensibility behind it.

When I look at a cybertruck I do not feel this human sensibility. To my eye the visual design is arbitrary; what I have observed of its performance (from reviews, not from direct experience) is that it fails to achieve what its visual design (flawed as it is) appears to promise. It is not communicating the craftsmanship and attention to detail and purpose that a good car design team should deliver.

My gut reaction to the cybertruck is that it was pushed into production based on Elon Musk's determination and not because the design and capabilities were worthy (so to speak) of being offered to the public. And as a car person, I resent this -- it breaks the contract that I perceive between the car industry and consumers (and that Tesla has honored with its other vehicles). I feel a pulse of anger when I see a cybertruck because deep down I think these cars do not deserve to exist. In my opinion Elon Musk bypassed a process that I respect and appreciate, and I suspect that those who crow about the cybertruck don't care about the vehicle itself but rather are celebrating the joy of thumbing their noses at the entire auto industry and at people like me.

These are my own irrational opinions and I can't defend them with logic, but this thread prompted me to try to articulate something I've been pondering for a while.

Lordy, man, it's just a car. Styling is subjective. A CEO of a car company gets to make the call on what the company produces. There is really no need for any mental anguish over it; worry about other stuff.

[DrVenture]

To me the Cybertruck represents bad judgement and a deep seated need for attention, on both the part of the buyer and manufacturer.

Like someone in a seriously ugly outfit, believing they are stylin'.

[DrVenture]

Originally Posted by bw

For me the issue I have with this specific vehicle is that, in my opinion, it should never have made it into production. ...


My gut reaction to the cybertruck is that it was pushed into production based on Elon Musk's determination and not because the design and capabilities were worthy ...

Yes. A product by a person who listens to no one, but himself.

[Sedoy]

Jeez, tired of listening everybody crying about Cybertruck… Don’t like it? Don’t buy it. Think it looks ugly? There are plenty of ugly things in life, get over it. Tesla will adjust manufacturing if there’s no demand. At least Tesla isn’t going bankrupt like Nissan, and you can still buy an American-made car before the market, God forbid, gets flooded with cheap Chinese imports.