ESS Stage 4 flash!

sales@ESSTuning · 08-12-2009, 09:46 AM

Hi guys,

Here is the "unoffical" and totally maxed ESS Stage 4 dyno, the car had the following modifications in both stock and Stage 4 runs :

-AR Design catless downpipes, full exhaust
-DCI intake
-Upgraded FMIC
-Upgraded dump valves

This is the absolute max we can develop out of this engine on pump 93. Anything more will require high octane fuel or upgraded turbos as there is nothing left in the stock turbo's at this point.

nj335i · 08-12-2009, 10:20 AM

Looks good - what FMIC were you using?

Sniz · 08-12-2009, 10:22 AM

excellent!! well done.

jpsimon · 08-12-2009, 10:41 AM

Hmm not the greatest for full bolt-on's. Do you have a baseline without the mods installed? Only 367wtq? Are you guys intentionally limiting torque for some reason, or just can't seem to make any more?

kjrulz · 08-12-2009, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by jpsimon

Hmm not the greatest for full bolt-on's. Do you have a baseline without the mods installed? Only 367wtq? Are you guys intentionally limiting torque for some reason, or just can't seem to make any more?

That actually seems about right because he's maxed out at 93 fuel on stock turbos.

sales@ESSTuning · 08-12-2009, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jpsimon

Hmm not the greatest for full bolt-on's. Do you have a baseline without the mods installed? Only 367wtq? Are you guys intentionally limiting torque for some reason, or just can't seem to make any more?

The turbos are limited in the mid range to avoid choking them to early. This is the only way to make the top end power as we are at the absolute max of turbo capacity and more power can only be had by upping timing (race fuel) or more air (bigger turbos). There is nothing left on the table on pump 93 with this setup.

jpsimon · 08-12-2009, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by kjrulz

That actually seems about right because he's maxed out at 93 fuel on stock turbos.

We've all seen much higher on 93 octane with full bolt-on's

sales@ESSTuning · 08-12-2009, 11:38 AM

Here is what happens if you boost up to 15.5PSI in the midrange and choke the turbos to early.

Target boost/filling setting after 5500RPM is the same in both files.

sales@ESSTuning · 08-12-2009, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by jpsimon

We've all seen much higher on 93 octane with full bolt-on's

This is what is possible to get out of a 335 with those bolt-ons on our dyno. The car had perfect timing, fuel and pushed the maximum top end boost the turbos could supply. I am 100% sure no other tuning option out there would have made more given the same conditions, fuel and dyno.

If you notice the small top at 6100RPM, that is the actual max capacity of the turbos. That's it, no more air can be had from them no matter how you tune.

jpsimon · 08-12-2009, 11:42 AM

did you dyno the car without all the mods?

Mr. 5 · 08-12-2009, 11:42 AM

Do you have the AFRs and boost values with those runs?

per · 08-12-2009, 11:44 AM

Do you think it is possible to run more boost on 93octan,and gain some moore power.

jpsimon · 08-12-2009, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by per

Do you think it is possible to run more boost on 93octan,and gain some moore power.

the car was on 93 octane

kjrulz · 08-12-2009, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by jpsimon

the car was on 93 octane

i think per was asking if you can just raise the psi on the same octane.

kjrulz · 08-12-2009, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by jpsimon

the car was on 93 octane

jp you know more than i do, i just dont recall seeing anything higher than this with similar setup.

sales@ESSTuning · 08-12-2009, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by per

Do you think it is possible to run more boost on 93octan,and gain some moore power.

The problem is that there are no more boost to be had. We set out to find the absolute limit on this tune. The turbos are totally maxed at this point. You can only make a bit more power by upping ignition timing and that requires race fuel or meth injection.

jpsimon · 08-12-2009, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by kjrulz

jp you know more than i do, i just dont recall seeing anything higher than this with similar setup.

I sent you a PM. I don't want to take this thread too off topic.

Zeph · 08-12-2009, 11:55 AM

I would prefer the extra boost up top than down low, like the "red" line over the "black" line dyno. Of course I am 6MT and I put the RPM's where I want. I could see where some would rather have the higher low-end TQ especially in an automatic.

sales@ESSTuning · 08-12-2009, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by jpsimon

did you dyno the car without all the mods?

No, car came in with mods and even a V3.3.

Stock 335's typically dyno in the 270 range on our dyno on 93.

per · 08-12-2009, 12:04 PM

Other tuners are claiming higher boost levels, have you tryed to raise the boost above 15 psi on other cars?

Tobias1980 · 08-12-2009, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Sales@ESS

No, car came in with mods and even a V3.3.

Stock 335's typically dyno in the 270 range on our dyno on 93.

Well done ESS!

Did you run the car with Procede on the dyno to get comparable numbers?

BMWCadet · 08-12-2009, 12:12 PM

If this is the absolute limit you guys recommend not passing, then i'm impressed. Others will say that I make 400rwhp blah blah, but thats at a higher psi level where the safety boundary has probably been crossed. I like it, where is the pricing?

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