Just a thought, N54 stroker?

GreenPlease · 09-24-2009, 07:12 AM

Did a

and found nothing

Let the speculation/brainstorming begin

Kevin@AKMotorwerk · 09-24-2009, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by GreenPlease

Did a

and found nothing

Let the speculation/brainstorming begin

haha i was just thinking about that yesterday!

TurboSid · 09-24-2009, 07:46 AM

i dont think anyone stocks the required materials to stroke a n54 (crank, sleeves, pistons). But with enough money, anything can be fabricated.

Still need a fuel solution before you need to worry about that since the stock block holds more power than the stock fuel system can support.

335e92tx · 09-24-2009, 07:56 AM

Your still gonna run up against the current limits of airflow in the scrolls - at a lower RPM even. So you will increase lowend - with what benefit?

You probably wouldn't need sleeves. Really just pistons and a crank.
Offset grinding the crank will get you a little something - providing you could find a rod that would have a smaller bigend pin.

Kevin@AKMotorwerk · 09-24-2009, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by 335e92tx

Your still gonna run up against the current limits of airflow in the scrolls - at a lower RPM even. So you will increase lowend - with what benefit?

you can always get the head port and polished, larger lift cam, and a custom intake manifold

335e92tx · 09-24-2009, 08:00 AM

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you can always get the head port and polished, larger lift cam, and a custom intake manifold

So why not do that at first and then just work on airflow with the existing displacement?

Kevin@AKMotorwerk · 09-24-2009, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by 335e92tx

So why not do that at first and then just work on airflow with the existing displacement?

it wont make a ton of power just opening up the head, the cam might make somewhat of a difference, but if you are pulling the head off to do all the work, might as well go for the big power and stoke the bottom end if it was available

335e92tx · 09-24-2009, 08:09 AM

I doubt you will see much of an increase in a few CC of increased stroke. It moves the power around - generally not UP. The tradeoff in torque increase is usually offset by a lower HP peak. Especially without MAJOR headwork.

chiaobaby · 09-24-2009, 08:16 AM

BMW is targeting a certain market they figure if you want a faster car you would just buy an M3,M5 and M6 and not spend the time and effort to mod a n54 engine.

enrita · 09-24-2009, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by chiaobaby

BMW is targeting a certain market they figure if you want a faster car you would just buy an M3,M5 and M6 and not spend the time and effort to mod a n54 engine.

you can take away M3 there since is much slower than a tuned 335i.

GreenPlease · 09-24-2009, 08:57 AM

Should have mentioned that I was thinking of a stroked engine + bigger snails. As for fueling, I'm holding out hope that AMS/CP-E will come up with a solution. Then again, there's always meth...

Probably looking at $15,000 in work considering what I've mentioned but the results would unreal

TurboSid · 09-24-2009, 10:20 AM

but why stroker?

i think the first step would be to buy an oem piston from tischer and send it in to one of the piston companies and see what they can do with it. Do the same for rods, change them out in the motor and then worry about bigger turbos and fuel system.

vgame64 · 09-24-2009, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by GreenPlease

Should have mentioned that I was thinking of a stroked engine + bigger snails. As for fueling, I'm holding out hope that AMS/CP-E will come up with a solution. Then again, there's always meth...

Probably looking at $15,000 in work considering what I've mentioned but the results would unreal

I think HPF will do all this in their Stage 4 kits. Bigger turbos, new fueling system, maybe all forged internals, port+polish, aggressive cams, and meth along with all the other bolt ons should see the 335 capable of at least 700whp in my uneducated opinion.

GreenPlease · 09-24-2009, 10:42 AM

^

I was thinking along the same lines. So sweet. Hope you are right.

Slidewayz · 09-24-2009, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by vgame64

I think HPF will do all this in their Stage 4 kits. Bigger turbos, new fueling system, maybe all forged internals, port+polish, aggressive cams, and meth along with all the other bolt ons should see the 335 capable of at least 700whp in my uneducated opinion.

I wonder if the N54 open deck block would hold 700WHP.

Kevin@AKMotorwerk · 09-24-2009, 01:08 PM

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I wonder if the N54 open deck block would hold 700WHP.

no i think you would want to put the brace in just like in the old civic blocks

GreenPlease · 09-24-2009, 03:10 PM

Just the idea of pushing ~600whp makes my skin tingle. Not long my friends.... not long.

FramingLogic · 12-13-2016, 10:16 PM

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I wonder if the N54 open deck block would hold 700WHP.

well I love digging through old posts, this one caught my eye. Especially since we push 930hp to the stock block ^^

09-24-2009, 07:12 AM	#1
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TurboSid Brigadier General 1114 Rep 3,261 Posts Drives: 2022 M4Cx BSM/FR Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Florida iTrader: (4) Garage List 2008 335i [0.00]	i dont think anyone stocks the required materials to stroke a n54 (crank, sleeves, pistons). But with enough money, anything can be fabricated. Still need a fuel solution before you need to worry about that since the stock block holds more power than the stock fuel system can support. __________________ 2022 BSM/FR M4 Competition X-Drive 2017 MW/SO M4 ZCP [SOLD] • 2015 MW/SO M4 M-DCT FBO [SOLD] • 2011 AW/CR 335is DCT FBO [SOLD] • 2008 AW/CR 335i 6MT FBO [SOLD]
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335e92tx ahat 1042 Rep 2,592 Posts Drives: Was '07-335e92 - Now '13-335IS Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Texas iTrader: (6)	Your still gonna run up against the current limits of airflow in the scrolls - at a lower RPM even. So you will increase lowend - with what benefit? You probably wouldn't need sleeves. Really just pistons and a crank. Offset grinding the crank will get you a little something - providing you could find a rod that would have a smaller bigend pin. __________________ '13 335IS N54 (1 of 373 LeMans Blue out of 3597 total production e92)- Grey interior (1 of 24 in LMB with any trans- 1 of 14 with DCT)-MODS -MFactory LSD/MHD-BQ custom Tune/ATM-IC/AFE Momentum GT Intake/Konis/Mfront&HeimJoint Rear rods&arms/Brembos. https://photos.app.goo.gl/Lo6aHZRo7XqtPkhL8
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335e92tx ahat 1042 Rep 2,592 Posts Drives: Was '07-335e92 - Now '13-335IS Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Texas iTrader: (6)	I doubt you will see much of an increase in a few CC of increased stroke. It moves the power around - generally not UP. The tradeoff in torque increase is usually offset by a lower HP peak. Especially without MAJOR headwork. __________________ '13 335IS N54 (1 of 373 LeMans Blue out of 3597 total production e92)- Grey interior (1 of 24 in LMB with any trans- 1 of 14 with DCT)-MODS -MFactory LSD/MHD-BQ custom Tune/ATM-IC/AFE Momentum GT Intake/Konis/Mfront&HeimJoint Rear rods&arms/Brembos. https://photos.app.goo.gl/Lo6aHZRo7XqtPkhL8
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GreenPlease Lieutenant Colonel 131 Rep 1,629 Posts Drives: BMW 335i e92 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Orlando Florida iTrader: (2)	Should have mentioned that I was thinking of a stroked engine + bigger snails. As for fueling, I'm holding out hope that AMS/CP-E will come up with a solution. Then again, there's always meth... Probably looking at $15,000 in work considering what I've mentioned but the results would unreal
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TurboSid Brigadier General 1114 Rep 3,261 Posts Drives: 2022 M4Cx BSM/FR Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Florida iTrader: (4) Garage List 2008 335i [0.00]	but why stroker? i think the first step would be to buy an oem piston from tischer and send it in to one of the piston companies and see what they can do with it. Do the same for rods, change them out in the motor and then worry about bigger turbos and fuel system. __________________ 2022 BSM/FR M4 Competition X-Drive 2017 MW/SO M4 ZCP [SOLD] • 2015 MW/SO M4 M-DCT FBO [SOLD] • 2011 AW/CR 335is DCT FBO [SOLD] • 2008 AW/CR 335i 6MT FBO [SOLD]
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GreenPlease Lieutenant Colonel 131 Rep 1,629 Posts Drives: BMW 335i e92 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Orlando Florida iTrader: (2)	^ I was thinking along the same lines. So sweet. Hope you are right.
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