ar design 3" downpipes vs. the competition: part 1

ar design · 09-29-2009, 01:19 PM

I promised some comparison. Here is part 1: pics inside and out. part 2 will contain some more in depth testing, which I will post when I am done.

Theirs:

ar design · 09-29-2009, 01:20 PM

And ours - you decide: (Note, ours have not even been final prepped for shipment....)

Kevin@AKMotorwerk · 09-29-2009, 01:22 PM

great comparison, i love the nestle quick bottle in the back!! ar design ftw!!!!

inthemiddle · 09-29-2009, 01:23 PM

apparently theirs comes with chocolate milk though !!!! ... what do you have to compete with that ????

Craig@SupremePower · 09-29-2009, 01:24 PM

nice comparison shots bro...

ar design · 09-29-2009, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by inthemiddle

apparently theirs comes with chocolate milk though !!!! ... what do you have to compete with that ????

How about..... organic chocolate soymilk, for those of us that cannot have dairy?

Mike@N54Tuning.com · 09-29-2009, 01:26 PM

I think the pics speak for themselves

Mike

Craig@SupremePower · 09-29-2009, 01:27 PM

I can't speak for anyone else but i recieved some pretty racey photo's with mine....

Quote:

Originally Posted by inthemiddle

apparently theirs comes with chocolate milk though !!!! ... what do you have to compete with that ????

Quote:

Originally Posted by ar design

How about..... organic chocolate soymilk, for those of us that cannot have dairy?

Kevin@AKMotorwerk · 09-29-2009, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Craig@SupremePower

I can't speak for anyone else but i recieved some pretty racey photo's with mine....

i remember those

i thought those things done in the pics were illegial in all 50 states

FotiosF90M5 · 09-29-2009, 01:31 PM

wow...what a difference. I know what Im getting when my warranty is up.. in 3k miles...a little scary but can be fun.

ar design · 09-29-2009, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Craig@SupremePower

I can't speak for anyone else but i recieved some pretty racey photo's with mine....

ridin135 · 09-29-2009, 01:40 PM

Are you doing dyno comp on the same car? Interested to see the results.

Daya · 09-29-2009, 01:47 PM

both of my shops have commented on how nicely engineered the AR catted pipes are and they have seen/installed the competition as well

Drakos · 09-29-2009, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Daya

both of my shops have commented on how nicely engineered the AR catted pipes are and they have seen/installed the competition as well

My install shop said the same thing and said the AR's were the finest quality they have ever seen and worked on.

scheherazade · 09-29-2009, 02:06 PM

Let's see some dynos

(we know who wins the wet t-shirt contest... now let's see who can cook)

-scheherazade

jpsimon · 09-29-2009, 02:08 PM

What sort of tests are in the works?

5soko · 09-29-2009, 02:15 PM

AR DP's FTW cant wait for mine! Looks awsome man.

cali_guy · 09-29-2009, 02:22 PM

I purchased a set of VK and my welds inside the downpipe did not look like the ones in the picture. Are all the "other" shots all VK or other competitors mixed in?

BTW I own a set of AR. I got a nice price on a new set of AR's from a forum member. I sold my VK set as soon as they arrived.

ar design · 09-29-2009, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpsimon

What sort of tests are in the works?

Metallurgy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cali_guy

I purchased a set of VK and my welds inside the downpipe did not look like the ones in the picture. Are all the "other" shots all VK or other competitors mixed in?

BTW I own a set of AR. I got a nice price on a new set of AR's from a forum member. I sold my VK set as soon as they arrived.

All the same brand pipes.

O-cha · 09-29-2009, 02:24 PM

Not really fair to show a bunch of shots of the welds from the interior of your competitors and not yours. There shots were clearly selected of bad portions while you chose to avoid the same shots on your pipes (even though they are available to get from the other end)

If you want to at least pretend to be unbiased (which is impossible but you can try) at least do things in an unbiased manner.

Kevin@AKMotorwerk · 09-29-2009, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cali_guy

I purchased a set of VK and my welds inside the downpipe did not look like the ones in the picture. Are all the "other" shots all VK or other competitors mixed in?

BTW I own a set of AR. I got a nice price on a new set of AR's from a forum member. I sold my VK set as soon as they arrived.

i can personally attest that they are vk pipes because i took some of the pictures of them

ar design · 09-29-2009, 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O-cha

Not really fair to show a bunch of shots of the welds from the interior of your competitors and not yours. There shots were clearly selected of bad portions while you chose to avoid the same shots on your pipes (even though they are available to get from the other end)

If you want to at least pretend to be unbiased (which is impossible but you can try) at least do things in an unbiased manner.

Ill grab some pics for you. FWIW, all the pics of the competition were not taken by me, but by clients and shops.

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