[J x K]

Hey everyone!!

I'm making this thread in regards to the two most popular tuning solutions out there: Burger Motorsport's JB3 and Vishnu's Procede Rev 2 Canbus Unit.

I have had the pleasure to run both tunes in my car, and I will make this thread as honest and unbiased as can be. Both tunes are great, however there are some areas where one tune outshines the other.

My car is a full stage 3 catless, non-meth, 93 pump gas daily driven 135i (6MT). I have only ran both tunes while my car was stage 3, therefore I do not have any input on Stage 1 & 2 Procede maps or JB3 Maps 1-6.

Well, here's how it all went down:

JB3 1.4 Map 7 24 ohm

The first tune I have ever purchased was a JB3. I purchased the JB3 along with a BT cable, and a Riss Racing DP Fix. At the time, I had a JB3 24ohm 2nd gen production board, version 1.4. I daily drove Map 7, and let me tell you, it was definitely a performance oriented map. Raw power, torque, delivery, etc. Daily drivability was not an issue at all. In fact, I was curious to see what kind of numbers I was putting down, So I headed to a local dynojet and did some pulls (Shown later in thread). I made a best of 385whp/395trq! A couple days after the JB3 install, I started to receive the dreaded 2c31 code... This code made my car run lean during WOT's and caused misfiring. I was looking for another DPFix solution (at that time, the most recent dp fix was BMS's DPFix V2), but I read that it was kind of a gamble since it worked for most cars, however it didnt work for a few. Frustrated, I looked up and started to do my research on the Procede since I heard that it had an adjustable 02 Modifier. After hours upon hours of research, I was finally sold on the Procede. Taking the easy way out & also taking advantage of the 14 day money-back guarantee, I returned my JB3 to Terry for a refund (This was when Terry started to work on the V3 DP Fix's).


Procede Rev 2 Canbus V3 & V4

About 2 weeks later, I purchased and received my Procede Rev 2 Unit, pre-programmed by Shiv (It had the latest V3 maps at the time). Install was similar to the JB3, besides the additional power wire for the procede. First Impressions: I loved it. Power delivery was similar to JB3 Map 7, AND it had User Adjustables, along with a whole bunch of other features like datalogging, code clearing, etc. About a week after the install, Florida received a cold front. During this cold front, temps were pretty cold and this is when my procede started acting up. I was getting random boost oscilliations.. sometimes during half throttle, and full throttle. Fortunately, a few days later, V4 came out. Everything changed. Boost oscilliations were gone, and power delivery was smooth... real smooth. I was comparing datalogs from v3 and v4 and wow, the way V4 controls boost... it's so smooth its ridiculous. Anyways, I ran V4 for about 2 months, and absolutely loved it. For those who think V4 does not deliver power, you are wrong. I have countless videos of countless pulls against other cars that put down impressive numbers at the track. The 6MT maps that shiv released are awesome as well, holds more boost towards redline; a must for the 6MT user . I wanted to test out these 6MT Maps, So I headed to the same dyno I dynoed on previously and made a best of 392whp/392trq! (Stage 3 6MT Map, Ignition Correction set to 80) I was happy with the results. I've never had a single misfire or boost oscilliation while running V4.

JB3 2.0 Map 7 & Custom Map 1 18 ohm
Anyways, after owning, running, and loving the procede for about 2 months, I started to hear all this fuss about JB3 2.0. Curiousity owns, I'm sure that anyone who has one of these tunes and have not tried the other, knows that. Anyways, I wanted to try 2.0, so I took out my Procede rev 2 Unit and sold it to a local e90post member. I talked with Terry and he said he'd hook me up with a JB3 2.0 18ohm and a usb cable along with a DP fix v3. I received the goods within the week, installed it, put it on map 7, and took it for a drive. The very first thing I noticed that was different about the procede, is that the JB3 drivability and throttle sensitivity is alot more stock-like, whereas the procede was more throttle "sensitive", which is not a good or bad thing, but just the first thing I noticed after the switch (I'm sure that's all user adjustable so it could be changed easily if preferred). Once again, Map 7 is no joke; the car pulls forward with no remorse. Smooth, but instant power delivery, is the definition of 2.0. Drivability & power delivery is no stranger to 2.0. Some people are still running on JB3 1.4 and they have no idea what they're missing out on. One of the biggest advantages of updating from JB3 1.4 to JB3 2.0 is the user software. The software is simple, and took me a few minutes before I figured out how to use everything. Datalogging is also a big +, and comes in handy when you want to know exactly how your car is behaving, and of course, datalogging on dyno means custom tuning . I took my baby to the same dyno from earlier, and well... after some custom tuning... I was able to make 400whp/425trq! Here are some charts:


This is comparing JB3 2.0 18ohm Map 1 w/ custom settings vs the 1-22 6MT Procede V4 maps w/ 80% Ignition Correction.
Peak boost is 16.1ish



This is JB3 2.0 18ohm Map 7 vs JB3 2.0 18ohm Map 1 w/ custom settings.



This is JB3 2.0 18ohm Map 7 vs JB3 1.4 24ohm Map 7





Once again, I loved my procede and I made this thread trying to be as unbiased and honest as can be. I'm hoping to love my JB3 2.0 as much as I loved my V4, but I just need more seat time, it's only been 4 days!

..but I will tell you that I'm loving it now

[335xiRT1]

Does the 18ohm board run a higher boost more like 17ish psi??

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by 335xiRT1

Does the 18ohm board run a higher boost more like 17ish psi??

It allows for higher boost as one of the hardware safeties has been loosened. The standard board would not let you run that high boost (as a safety precaution)

Congrats to OP for joining the 400whp club on pump gas! What was boost on map 1 for those 400whp runs, around 16psi peak?

Mike

[J x K]

I will finish editing this thread later tonight.. Left a whole lot out

[Clap135]

Looks like you are simply running more boost on the jb3 to me.
Why did you start that run so high on the v4 dyno?

[J x K]

Originally Posted by Clap135

Looks like you are simply running more boost on the jb3 to me.
Why did you start that run so high on the v4 dyno?

Mmmm, if I remember correctly, peak boost was 16.1.... just putting that out there, left that out.

As for the v4 dyno, I figured peak torque would be around 4300, around the vanos changeover.. so I figured there'd be no reason gunning it from 2.5k-redline.

[jaza45]

Great review, I dynoed my car today playing with some of the 2.0 settings and got up to 410hp & 415tq, I love my JB3 too....

[J x K]

Originally Posted by ******

Great review, I dynoed my car today playing with some of the 2.0 settings and got up to 410hp & 415tq, I love my JB3 too....

Nice!

[335xiRT1]

Originally Posted by ******

Great review, I dynoed my car today playing with some of the 2.0 settings and got up to 410hp & 415tq, I love my JB3 too....

You running 18ohm board too??

[ridin135]

Do you feel the power difference between the two tunes?

[yandy]

awesome numbers man! Remember to let me know if you go out to PBIR on Friday

[supracg]

Nice numbers, do you have logs of boost? What boost numbers did you see with the custom JB3 maps versus your 1-22 maps.

[CBR335]

Nice review OP. Once again, it has been demonstrated that both the JB3 2.0 and V4 are great tunes.

[wonsungnabi]

Nice, unbaised review!

[Papajim]

Which map were you running with the Procede?

[WCM3]

So you don't really feel a difference in driveability with the 2 tunes? I thought that was a major factor of the Procede..

[pcmike]

WCM3,

What does that even mean? There is definitely a big difference in drivability between the two tunes using their respective default maps. The boost curves are different. It's up to each person to decide which boost curve they like better.. so I'll just leave it at that.

[WCM3]

Originally Posted by pcmike

WCM3,

What does that even mean? There is definitely a big difference in drivability between the two tunes using their respective default maps. The boost curves are different. It's up to each person to decide which boost curve they like better.. so I'll just leave it at that.

I'm not going to go searching around for all the different posts on driveability, but here's an example:

Originally Posted by ridin135

I would say if you are going to be racing the car get the jb3 but if its a daily driver the procede offers better drivability.

From what I've gathered, I just feel like the Procede acts as a stronger/faster N/A car and the JB3 is more raw power. I can see why people would be torn because you want raw power but you also want great driveability. I wasn't trying to put down either the JB3 or V4, I'm just asking the OP if he felt any differences. Relax man..

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by Nick.CBR

+1

Nick

I believe it was the 1-22 stg3 map. But wth ignition correction dropped slightly to 80%.

That said, the max power potential difference between the two tunes are going to be zero. There really isn't a secret recipe on how to make power. That's actually the easy part. The difference comes from what user process is requires to achieve this result. And on how this power translates to real-world (non-WOT) conditions. Those are the definining difference between the two tunes. Or any tunes for that matter.

Shiv

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

OP, any plans for race gas runs?

mike

[Superman0150]

Hey JxK I am a new member, and I would like to ask you some questions if its ok. Can you give me your email? Because I also live in south Florida and I'm getting my first 335i so I was wondering if you could help me out a bit with the JB3 and the V4. Thank you very very much. If anyone else can or would like to help it would be greatly appreciated.

[MarkRacerX]

Good info. !

Thanks for sharing