Is The Dealer Gonna Screw Me????

syncro · 03-30-2011, 08:27 AM

Wassup brothas and sistas, I've heard of the rumours that the dme programming that the dealer uses robs you of a lot of horsepower, does anybody have ACTUAL PROOF????? I am going in for hpfp and dme on April 7th and i would like to know if I am going to end up getting screwed. If anybody has any useful info it would be greatly appreciated.

Also, if it does rob you of horsepower would installing a jb3/4 still give you the same gains they projected???

Thank you

P.s. i have used the search but found only hearsay, so if your gonna tell me to search, piss off

RoundelM3 · 03-30-2011, 08:49 AM

Yeah, BMW and its dealers are screwing their customers who buy expensive cars by installing a fix for a known issue. People are losing anywhere from 100 to 200hp, but if you buy an aftermarket flux capacitor, it should restore your power.

Now "piss off" yourself and do a little reading.

MusclezMarinara · 03-30-2011, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by syncro

Wassup brothas and sistas, I've heard of the rumours that the dme programming that the dealer uses robs you of a lot of horsepower, does anybody have ACTUAL PROOF????? I am going in for hpfp and dme on April 7th and i would like to know if I am going to end up getting screwed. If anybody has any useful info it would be greatly appreciated.

Also, if it does rob you of horsepower would installing a jb3/4 still give you the same gains they projected???

Thank you

P.s. i have used the search but found only hearsay, so if your gonna tell me to search, piss off

I think u need to re vamp your outlook on this board....HPFP is under warranty idk how you'd get screwed and based off your grammar and terminology I think you will have a problem at the dealer. Your outlook in life seems to be an angry one.

SixShotEspressO · 03-30-2011, 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roundel335

Yeah, BMW and its dealers are screwing their customers who buy expensive cars by installing a fix for a known issue. People are losing anywhere from 100 to 200hp, but if you buy an aftermarket flux capacitor, it should restore your power.

Now "piss off" yourself and do a little reading.

@ OP, take that angry, "bitch better have my money" shit elsewhere bloke. You will only get flamed for that nonsense here.

Midnightfang · 03-30-2011, 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roundel335

Yeah, BMW and its dealers are screwing their customers who buy expensive cars by installing a fix for a known issue. People are losing anywhere from 100 to 200hp, but if you buy an aftermarket flux capacitor, it should restore your power.

Now "piss off" yourself and do a little reading.

Come on guys, he is just trying to get some information.

but i do agree with roundel335, an aftermarket flux capacitor will do wonders in terms of hp gain.

reprod · 03-30-2011, 10:31 AM

Hilarious thread thus far.

To answer the OPs question though... the fix will not rob you of your HP. It will adjust certain aspects of the cars acceleration though and will also reset anything the DME has "learned" about your driving habits. So basically, you should expect the car to feel different once you get it back. Be your own judge and report back (in this same thread, not a new thread

) once you get your car back.

I can speak to my recently returned '08... the car felt sluggish at first but got its spirit back after some time with me.

nbkkvv5 · 03-30-2011, 10:48 AM

OP:
"aftermarket flux capacitor" --- LOL.. they are just mess'en with ya. If your that concerned about losing 100 to 200 hp, then take your car in to a Toyota dealership. Toyota has created new software for the 335i that will actually increase your hp by about 20 at the rear wheels.

IancoleTX · 03-30-2011, 10:50 AM

ITT: a lesson on post etiquette

syncro · 03-30-2011, 11:19 AM

Wow, you guys are sensitive,. Thank you very much for the helpful info tho "reprod" greatly appreciated.

And roundel 335, stop being an internet thug and develop a thicker skin.

veediddy · 03-30-2011, 12:57 PM

LOLOLOLOL. people always gotta cry about stuff that doesnt even really affect them.

Syncro, the "DME" will monitor your driving habits and adjust itself accordingly, you have nothing to worry about.

Sack up chaps and stop crying, the man is just being straight forward because we all know theyre are losers that just say "use the search" for every post. "musclezmarina" and "sixshotespreso" prove that point. losers

WWM3 · 03-30-2011, 01:11 PM

Wow.

Dvdman · 03-30-2011, 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by syncro

Wow guys are sensitive, go cry on another post soft handed douchebags. Thank you very much for the helpful info tho "reprod" greatly appreciated.

And roundel 335, i guarantee you wouldnt say a word to my face. Stop being an internet thug and develop a thicker skin. How have you survived the world thus far?

I thought Canadiens were more polite too....

rosskie · 03-30-2011, 01:51 PM

hm this is fun to read..

matrix76 · 03-30-2011, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Devestator

I thought Canadiens were more polite too....

Some, not all, and that is Canadians, the other spelling is used ONLY in Quebec.

I have to admit though, Syncro is coming across as a bit of an ASS@&%*

Midnightfang · 03-30-2011, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nbkkvv5

OP:
"aftermarket flux capacitor" --- LOL.. they are just mess'en with ya. If your that concerned about losing 100 to 200 hp, then take your car in to a Toyota dealership. Toyota has created new software for the 335i that will actually increase your hp by about 20 at the rear wheels.

i suggest you check your sources for the software to deliver 20 hp gain at the rear wheel. OP's 3 series being a RWD, the toyota software will increase the front wheel hp and not the rear wheels.

if i was in the OP's position, i would still go w/ the aftermarket flux capacitor route. Below is the one i got from ebay.

matrix76 · 03-30-2011, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Midnightfang

i suggest you check your sources for the software to deliver 20 hp gain at the rear wheel. OP's 3 series being a RWD, the toyota software will increase the front wheel hp and not the rear wheels.

if i was in the OP's position, i would still go w/ the aftermarket flux capacitor route. Below is the one i got from ebay.

Can we do a group buy, ,

Coolieman1220 · 03-30-2011, 02:41 PM

canada aye? i hear brampton is ghetto....

nbkkvv5 · 03-30-2011, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Midnightfang

i suggest you check your sources for the software to deliver 20 hp gain at the rear wheel. OP's 3 series being a RWD, the toyota software will increase the front wheel hp and not the rear wheels.

if i was in the OP's position, i would still go w/ the aftermarket flux capacitor route. Below is the one i got from ebay.

Are those hp gains with AFC based on the butt-o-meter or do you have any before and after dyno runs for comparison? If you recall, the OP wants "ACTUAL PROOF".

BTW, you are correct about toyota, the hp gains are at the front wheels.

veediddy · 03-30-2011, 03:16 PM

I hear new york is ghetto

DnA Diesel · 03-30-2011, 03:41 PM

It started heading for the toilet here.

AlphaBeta was right.

hpowders · 03-30-2011, 04:33 PM

Is the dealer gonna screw me? Was that the question?

Does it take 2 to tango? Can Charlie Daniels play a mean violin? Have you been living under a rock? Do people need to breathe?

M340i Pride · 03-30-2011, 05:24 PM

lol... there are very entertaining posts on this.

if you only NOT have put "piss off"...

but anyways, trying to be a nice guy here and post my personal experience...

I had the exact same things done to my car as mandatory update (software, HPFP, Fuel injectors) and yes they do feel different.

first of all, i have posted this, the exhaust is definitely louder and have more bass. that is absolutely certain.

second, the accelaration is more LINEAR. meaning more constant. I have not done a full blown 0-60 but it does feel faster over all WHEN PUSHED. there is more mid range push and less lower end. if driven gently, it feels the lower end is softer than before, not a bad thing. it jumped before off the line, i have less of that. not complaining.

third, i have not timed it, but accelator (or gas pedal) is more responsive. it means two things. I press the pedal and car hesistates less (we are talking micro seconds, based on FEEL.) secondly, seems like greater throttle with less push - I dont have to press as much to get more oomph. i dont know why that is, but it definitely feels that way.. so it is FEEL.

so far, i do not have any complaints. mine was a low miled CPO car and now it feels better. thats my overall personal evaluation... so no, i dont think you are going to be screwed. hope your upgrade comes out as well as mine!

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syncro Private First Class 10 Rep 190 Posts Drives: 335i (E92)/ 340i MPE (F30) Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: B town iTrader: (0)	Is The Dealer Gonna Screw Me???? Wassup brothas and sistas, I've heard of the rumours that the dme programming that the dealer uses robs you of a lot of horsepower, does anybody have ACTUAL PROOF????? I am going in for hpfp and dme on April 7th and i would like to know if I am going to end up getting screwed. If anybody has any useful info it would be greatly appreciated. Also, if it does rob you of horsepower would installing a jb3/4 still give you the same gains they projected??? Thank you P.s. i have used the search but found only hearsay, so if your gonna tell me to search, piss off
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reprod Lieutenant Colonel 148 Rep 1,730 Posts Drives: '16 M3 ZCP Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Bay Area, CA iTrader: (6)	Hilarious thread thus far. To answer the OPs question though... the fix will not rob you of your HP. It will adjust certain aspects of the cars acceleration though and will also reset anything the DME has "learned" about your driving habits. So basically, you should expect the car to feel different once you get it back. Be your own judge and report back (in this same thread, not a new thread ) once you get your car back. I can speak to my recently returned '08... the car felt sluggish at first but got its spirit back after some time with me. __________________ '11 Space Grey E92 335xi M-Sport (KWv1 Coils \| Saddle Brown \| Bamboo) (Returned) '14 Mineral Grey F32 335i M-Sport (Dinan DHP \| LED Lights \| Coral Red \| Hexagonal Aluminum) (Returned) '16 Mineral Grey F80 M3 ZCP
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nbkkvv5 Second Lieutenant 3 Rep 256 Posts Drives: 09 E90 335i Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: SF Bay Area iTrader: (0)	OP: "aftermarket flux capacitor" --- LOL.. they are just mess'en with ya. If your that concerned about losing 100 to 200 hp, then take your car in to a Toyota dealership. Toyota has created new software for the 335i that will actually increase your hp by about 20 at the rear wheels.
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syncro Private First Class 10 Rep 190 Posts Drives: 335i (E92)/ 340i MPE (F30) Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: B town iTrader: (0)	Wow, you guys are sensitive,. Thank you very much for the helpful info tho "reprod" greatly appreciated. And roundel 335, stop being an internet thug and develop a thicker skin. Last edited by syncro; 03-30-2011 at 03:20 PM..
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veediddy New Member 0 Rep 7 Posts Drives: 2011 335is Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: florida iTrader: (0)	LOLOLOLOL. people always gotta cry about stuff that doesnt even really affect them. Syncro, the "DME" will monitor your driving habits and adjust itself accordingly, you have nothing to worry about. Sack up chaps and stop crying, the man is just being straight forward because we all know theyre are losers that just say "use the search" for every post. "musclezmarina" and "sixshotespreso" prove that point. losers
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M340i Pride Lieutenant Colonel 213 Rep 1,713 Posts Drives: 2020 BMW M340i Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Los Angeles, CA iTrader: (1)	lol... there are very entertaining posts on this. if you only NOT have put "piss off"... but anyways, trying to be a nice guy here and post my personal experience... I had the exact same things done to my car as mandatory update (software, HPFP, Fuel injectors) and yes they do feel different. first of all, i have posted this, the exhaust is definitely louder and have more bass. that is absolutely certain. second, the accelaration is more LINEAR. meaning more constant. I have not done a full blown 0-60 but it does feel faster over all WHEN PUSHED. there is more mid range push and less lower end. if driven gently, it feels the lower end is softer than before, not a bad thing. it jumped before off the line, i have less of that. not complaining. third, i have not timed it, but accelator (or gas pedal) is more responsive. it means two things. I press the pedal and car hesistates less (we are talking micro seconds, based on FEEL.) secondly, seems like greater throttle with less push - I dont have to press as much to get more oomph. i dont know why that is, but it definitely feels that way.. so it is FEEL. so far, i do not have any complaints. mine was a low miled CPO car and now it feels better. thats my overall personal evaluation... so no, i dont think you are going to be screwed. hope your upgrade comes out as well as mine!
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