2012 Car and Driver Lightning Lap Results

TSM330i · 01-10-2012, 01:04 PM

Comments.....

san~man · 01-10-2012, 01:39 PM

The Panamera, CLS, and Dodge cars are the surprises to me

JJsM3 · 01-10-2012, 01:54 PM

I'm kind of surprised at how poorly the 335iS performed.

Hurricane · 01-10-2012, 03:18 PM

I'm shocked the TTRS finished as high as it did.

RRGOO7 · 01-10-2012, 07:58 PM

Surprised the ZR1 beat the GTR by so much

Sniz · 01-10-2012, 09:26 PM

ZR1 slapped the GTR around a bit, 5.5mph top speed advantage is not a small one. That being said, the GTR is an amazing computer.

TTRS is damned good!

Boss 302 ftw!!!

id rock one of those american bread track machines for sure. Saw one on the road in my M3, couldnt get him to play........

MediaArtist · 01-10-2012, 10:29 PM

Yeah I'm surprised the GTR computer didn't prevail. They need to update the software.

MisterSkiMask · 01-10-2012, 10:59 PM

stupid pushrods and solid rear axles don't work.....

Year's_End · 01-11-2012, 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by RRGOO7

Surprised the ZR1 beat the GTR by so much

tire compound

ragingclue · 01-11-2012, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by MisterSkiMask

stupid pushrods and solid rear axles don't work.....

Heh, you forgot to take the mandatory shot at the interior quality as well.

MediaArtist · 01-11-2012, 10:29 AM

USA USA!

GregTheStig · 01-11-2012, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Year's_End

tire compound

This. If the GT-R had those semi-slicks as well it would be just as fast if not faster.

daixloxbmw · 01-11-2012, 11:31 AM

Lol, the 335is got beat by an SUV (X5M) by over 2 seconds. Granted the X5M had nearly double the power but it is still a friggin SUV!!! Ahem I mean SAV.

All jokes aside though, the X5M is a beast. Also, if you read the entire article, the 335is's DCT transmission seems to be reason for the disappointing results.

stefan · 01-11-2012, 11:34 AM

The Boss 302 is the eyebrow raiser on that list.. wow.

esqu1re · 01-11-2012, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Sniz

ZR1 slapped the GTR around a bit, 5.5mph top speed advantage is not a small one. That being said, the GTR is an amazing computer.

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The zr1 is a beast, but costs more than the GT-R. The GT-R is a heavy pig with less hp to weight than the ZR-1, but you're right, it gets the times it gets because of its sophisticated computer (and chassis, and AWD system). I wonder how the ZR-1 would do if it had a similarly calibrated "computer."

MSPORTWORLD · 01-11-2012, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by daixloxbmw

Lol, the 335is got beat by an SUV (X5M) by over 2 seconds. Granted the X5M had nearly double the power but it is still a friggin SUV!!! Ahem I mean SAV.

All jokes aside though, the X5M is a beast. Also, if you read the entire article, the 335is's DCT transmission seems to be reason for the disappointing results.

Really? I would think it would be due to the open diff.

Slightly disappointed they didn't include a DCT M3 in the test.

TSM330i · 01-11-2012, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Year's_End

tire compound

Last year they ran a Z06, not the ZR1 with the Michelin Pilot PS2 (not the sport cups) and it ran a 2.53.5 so 0.2 seconds slower than the GT-R. In 2009, they ran a ZR1 and this car did not have the sport cup tires either and it ran a 2.51.8, so 1.4 seconds quicker than the GT-R.

Oh, for those that say to put R-Comps on the GT-R and it would be much closer to the ZR1, you're correct, but with the curb weight of the GT-R the R-comps wouldn't last but a few laps. I know someone who owns and tracks a GT-R and he said on the track you can feel the tires just getting pounded into bits.

Impervious · 01-11-2012, 01:10 PM

I said it last year and I'll say it again... These results are all over the place. I just can't put much stock in their Lightning Lap times.

MediaArtist · 01-11-2012, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by esqu1re

The zr1 is a beast, but costs more than the GT-R. The GT-R is a heavy pig with less hp to weight than the ZR-1, but you're right, it gets the times it gets because of its sophisticated computer (and chassis, and AWD system). I wonder how the ZR-1 would do if it had a similarly calibrated "computer."

If the ZR-1 had the GTR computer, and both cars raced the Nurburgring, it would be one of the best computer races of all time.

Impervious · 01-11-2012, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by MediaArtist

If the ZR-1 had the GTR computer, and both cars raced the Nurburgring, it would be one of the best computer races of all time.

Dell and Apple both need to come out with a supercar.

MSPORTWORLD · 01-11-2012, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Impervious

I said it last year and I'll say it again... These results are all over the place. I just can't put much stock in their Lightning Lap times.

Concur...if they ran all the cars with the same tire compound then it would be a better comparison.

ragingclue · 01-11-2012, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by hkyplaynazn

Concur...if they ran all the cars with the same tire compound then it would be a better comparison.

Why would they do that? It's an off-the-shelf comparison, is it not? Start allowing modified cars and all hell breaks loose.

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daixloxbmw Lieutenant 147 Rep 571 Posts Drives: Corvette Grand Sport Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: USA iTrader: (0)	Lol, the 335is got beat by an SUV (X5M) by over 2 seconds. Granted the X5M had nearly double the power but it is still a friggin SUV!!! Ahem I mean SAV. All jokes aside though, the X5M is a beast. Also, if you read the entire article, the 335is's DCT transmission seems to be reason for the disappointing results.
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Impervious UNC FTW 28 Rep 741 Posts Drives: Black Sapphire 135i Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: NC iTrader: (0)	I said it last year and I'll say it again... These results are all over the place. I just can't put much stock in their Lightning Lap times.
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