Will the M235i be faster than the 1-series M?

basiluf · 03-06-2014, 04:29 PM

In a straight line or around a track? Top Gear just tested the M135i, which has slightly less power, weighs roughly the same, and comes standard with RFTs. It did fairly well. I remember BMW saying the M235i would be faster around a track than the 1-series M.

http://www.streetfire.net/video/top-...-1_2452449.htm

Top Gear Lap times for reference

01:24.4 Audi R8 (damp) Series 10, Episode 2
01:24.4 Aston Martin Virage Series 17, Episode 2
01:24.6 TVR Sagaris Series 6, Episode 7
01:24.8 Alfa Romeo 4C Series 21, Episode 2
01:24.8 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII MR FQ-400(damp) Series 5, Episode 7
01:24.8 TVR Tuscan Mk.II Series 6, Episode 3
01:24.9 Bentley Continental Supersports[5] Series 15, Episode 1
01:24.9 Porsche Boxster Spyder Series 15, Episode 2
01:24.9 Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG Series 15, Episode 3
01:25.0 Noble M12 GTO-3R Series 1, Episode 2
01:25.0 BMW 1 Series M Coupe (damp) Series 17, Episode 1
01:25.0 Caterham R400 N/A
01:25.1 BMW M135i Series 21, Episode 5
01:25.1 Lotus Exige S Series 8, Episode 3
01:25.3 Porsche Panamera turbo Series 15, Episode 3
01:25.3 BMW M3 (E90 Saloon) Series 10, Episode 10
01:25.4 Ford GT40 Series 5, Episode 8
01:25.7 Lotus Evora Series 13, Episode 1
01:25.7 Audi RS4[6] Series 7, Episode 2
01:25.7 Lamborghini Gallardo Spyder Series 8, Episode 7
01:25.8 Lamborghini Gallardo (wet) Series 3, Episode 4
01:25.9 Morgan Aero 8 GTN Series 5, Episode 5
01:26.0 Mercedes-Benz CLK 63 AMG Black series Series 11, Episode 2

SW19 · 03-06-2014, 04:38 PM

Yes,BMW said it was quicker around the Nordschleife than the 1M.

ozinaldo · 03-06-2014, 06:11 PM

First of: RFT tires for M135i? You sure about that? Most cars in Euro markets are with normal Michelin PSS.

Second, 1M time is 'damp' unlike M135i and Alfa 4C times which are 'dry'. Top Gear suggests 2 seconds should be subtracted from 'damp' times to give an adjusted time for a probable dry lap which would take the 1M lap to a 1.23.

Stig is the same.

So, 1M is/was around 2.1 seconds quicker on this short track with same driver according to their own suggestions and if the M135i was with normal PSS then this difference is even more respectable due to lower wet performance of (1M's older) PS2 tires.

Though I could believe that on another track which favors high speed stability like the Ring the M235i could manage better times than a 1M, this thread seems a bit counter-effective imho. On Top Gear track 1M remains to be quickest BMW ever tested including E90 M3 and F10 M5. It suits particularly well to that track like it did for Hockenheim Short too.

So, answering OP's original question: Yes and No, depends on track and other stuff.

NiceGuyEddie · 03-06-2014, 06:57 PM

In my personal experience, PS2 vs. PSS makes a tremendous difference on the 1M. No frame of reference for the Ring, unfortunately.

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basiluf Lieutenant 77 Rep 408 Posts Drives: 2019 S450 2018 S90 Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: DTLA iTrader: (0)	Will the M235i be faster than the 1-series M? In a straight line or around a track? Top Gear just tested the M135i, which has slightly less power, weighs roughly the same, and comes standard with RFTs. It did fairly well. I remember BMW saying the M235i would be faster around a track than the 1-series M. http://www.streetfire.net/video/top-...-1_2452449.htm Top Gear Lap times for reference 01:24.4 Audi R8 (damp) Series 10, Episode 2 01:24.4 Aston Martin Virage Series 17, Episode 2 01:24.6 TVR Sagaris Series 6, Episode 7 01:24.8 Alfa Romeo 4C Series 21, Episode 2 01:24.8 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII MR FQ-400(damp) Series 5, Episode 7 01:24.8 TVR Tuscan Mk.II Series 6, Episode 3 01:24.9 Bentley Continental Supersports[5] Series 15, Episode 1 01:24.9 Porsche Boxster Spyder Series 15, Episode 2 01:24.9 Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG Series 15, Episode 3 01:25.0 Noble M12 GTO-3R Series 1, Episode 2 01:25.0 BMW 1 Series M Coupe (damp) Series 17, Episode 1 01:25.0 Caterham R400 N/A 01:25.1 BMW M135i Series 21, Episode 5 01:25.1 Lotus Exige S Series 8, Episode 3 01:25.3 Porsche Panamera turbo Series 15, Episode 3 01:25.3 BMW M3 (E90 Saloon) Series 10, Episode 10 01:25.4 Ford GT40 Series 5, Episode 8 01:25.7 Lotus Evora Series 13, Episode 1 01:25.7 Audi RS4[6] Series 7, Episode 2 01:25.7 Lamborghini Gallardo Spyder Series 8, Episode 7 01:25.8 Lamborghini Gallardo (wet) Series 3, Episode 4 01:25.9 Morgan Aero 8 GTN Series 5, Episode 5 01:26.0 Mercedes-Benz CLK 63 AMG Black series Series 11, Episode 2
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SW19 Colonel 2481 Rep 2,722 Posts Drives: 2016 Alpine White M2 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Wimbledon iTrader: (0)	Yes,BMW said it was quicker around the Nordschleife than the 1M.
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ozinaldo Brigadier General 117 Rep 3,070 Posts Drives: 1M Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Lisbon, Portugal iTrader: (0)	First of: RFT tires for M135i? You sure about that? Most cars in Euro markets are with normal Michelin PSS. Second, 1M time is 'damp' unlike M135i and Alfa 4C times which are 'dry'. Top Gear suggests 2 seconds should be subtracted from 'damp' times to give an adjusted time for a probable dry lap which would take the 1M lap to a 1.23. Stig is the same. So, 1M is/was around 2.1 seconds quicker on this short track with same driver according to their own suggestions and if the M135i was with normal PSS then this difference is even more respectable due to lower wet performance of (1M's older) PS2 tires. Though I could believe that on another track which favors high speed stability like the Ring the M235i could manage better times than a 1M, this thread seems a bit counter-effective imho. On Top Gear track 1M remains to be quickest BMW ever tested including E90 M3 and F10 M5. It suits particularly well to that track like it did for Hockenheim Short too. So, answering OP's original question: Yes and No, depends on track and other stuff. __________________ "The mark of a great car is one whose overall competence exceeds what you should expect from its individual components and the 1M does just that", Chris Harris. BMW 1M-SOLD-: TECH: Evolve Race+N55mids, Evolve IC, Michelin PSS, ER cp, aFe filter, CDVx, Vorshlag camber plates, BMS OCC EXTERIOR: trunk spoiler, blacklines, black grills, IND goodies INTERIOR: Alcantara steering wheel, steel pedals, custom mats, MPower e-brake. Last edited by ozinaldo; 03-06-2014 at 06:17 PM..
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NiceGuyEddie Lieutenant 458 Rep 512 Posts Drives: M4 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Orlando, FL iTrader: (1)	In my personal experience, PS2 vs. PSS makes a tremendous difference on the 1M. No frame of reference for the Ring, unfortunately.
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