New Cadillac CTS!!!

Raikkonen · 11-26-2007, 04:07 PM

I don’t know if it’s because I’m from Detroit and I see a million of them everyday, but I hate the new Cadillac CTS. I don’t know which annoys me more, the car itself or the people who drive them. I’m sure this goes both ways, but I always get the sense that the moron who pulls up next to me is convinced that their car is superior to mine because of Cadillac’s marketing (brainwashing). It seems to me these cars are marketed to 15 yr olds. They seem to be taking the approach of, “yeah, my car’s better than yours” and then jamming juvenile rock music to drive home their point. This all seems very “American” to me. BMW has never taken a marketing approach this brash, even in the American market. I will say this however, the exterior isn’t bad. I could even go so far as to say it’s a decent looking car, except in typical Cadillac fashion, it appears to be very “Flash”. To each his own on the interior, but I personally am not a fan. One could argue that it’s nice looking, but another Cadillac trait makes itself readily known when you begin a closer inspection. Some of the materials look like they were pulled from a Cavalier, and I think the automatic shift knob actually was! It’s these small quality issues that really kill the company. Their recent designs just don’t stand the test of time. They seem disposable, almost as if they were designed for today only. If you were to drive a 10 yr old Catera (the caddy that zigs) and a 10 yr old 3 series, both kept in similar condition and with similar mileage, the BMW would still feel like a solid, well built vehicle, the Catera would feel like a 10 yr old, $6k death box. (I won’t even lower myself to discuss a design comparison) All Cadillac’s also have comical resale value. I can get a low mileage, well kept first generation CTS in the low teens all day long. Numbers don’t lie. I think one of the largest issues is the fact that Cadillac stopped being a player in the 80’s. There is no longer a Cadillac mystique. The Cimarron and Catera didn’t help their cause. Neither did the Seville, which was built up until 2004, and had 300hp running through the front wheels!!! What were they thinking? I don’t know if I’m the only one who feels this way, but Cadillac needs to step off their high horse and come back down to reality, and show the rest of the industry some respect. Considering their parent company is an automotive juggernaut, their product is embarrassing crap. Remember when they introduced the first generation CTS and all of their marketing was focusing on the fact that the car’s handling was honed at the Nurburgring? I do. I also remember when all of the comparison tests soon followed, and the car was trounced by the competition. Much like the all-new, all-conquering CTS. Congrats Cadillac, once again, you’ve produced a decent looking car with no substance, and I hate it.

aspiring335 · 11-26-2007, 04:12 PM

Try adding some line breaks...

vAnt826 · 11-26-2007, 04:18 PM

The new CTS exterior is... Amazing.

However, I also agree that the interior is lacking.

I don't think I am being brainwashed with the CTS marketing at all, its not that heavy.

siriusinvestor · 11-26-2007, 04:39 PM

A BMW is a BMW, a Cadillac is a Cadillac.

PS - Paging Carnage, Paging Carnage.

Mr. BMW · 11-26-2007, 04:49 PM

Before I bought the E90 I was considering the 06 CTS. I did a couple of test drives and really liked the way it felt on the road. It had pretty good handling, good acceleration and the six-speed shifted really smoothly. I almost bought one but I didn't like the interior and I could not get the color combo that I wanted.

Once I drove the E90 it was clear which car I wanted. That CTS would have set me back a little less cash but the BMW was the better car.

I actually like the looks of the new CTS.

lyndon_h · 11-26-2007, 05:39 PM

The new CTS is sharp. I actually like the interior better than the interior in my e90 (at least from the pics).

3onDubs · 11-26-2007, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by aspiring335

Try adding some line breaks...

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WAYNEBO · 11-26-2007, 05:45 PM

I saw a Black Cherry CTS at the LA Auto Show, and it was pretty damn impressive.

woody2223 · 11-26-2007, 06:29 PM

My whole take on it is I look at Cateras driving around and they just don't do anything for me. Back in the day I thought they looked kind of good b/c Cadillac hadn't produced anything that had looked like that before. I think the same thing is going to happen to the CTS, either the market is going to get even more flooded by them and in return take every last ounce of "special" out of it or it's design is going to look boring and bland in a couple of years (ei. catera). I still look at older bimmers and think they look great! Maybe it's just personal preference but put it like this how many people you know just dream of owning a mid to late 80's cadillac?

CaptChaos · 11-26-2007, 07:20 PM

I like the exterior of the new CTS. The front view looks very aggressive.

mmm def · 11-26-2007, 10:18 PM

I think it's a pretty sexy car especially in that dark red. My buddy is probably going to pick one up over a 335..I tell him he's crazy.

FUR65 · 11-27-2007, 08:30 AM

The best is BMW but I think that Cadillac is a sexy car..I love their designs..

alidmx · 11-27-2007, 01:44 PM

Interior is bad? Are you serious?

If CTS interior is bad than what about BMW 3 series interior?! HORRIBLE?!

CTS has atleast a ten times better looking interior than the 3 series, and I'll take the new CTS-V over a 335 without thinking twice

ksfrogman · 11-27-2007, 01:49 PM

Didn't this car just win Motor Trend's Car of the Year, and oh yeah...

ksfrogman · 11-27-2007, 01:53 PM

Here. You have to appreciate the edgy unity of design, and line flow. From the front bumper to the fender and hood, even the side mirrors and doors. The headlight and grill theme carries on toward the bottom of the bumper. I like everything but the wheels and side vent.

quagmire · 11-27-2007, 02:42 PM

I like the new CTS as well. It drove pretty nicely and the interior materials used is definitely on par if not better then the 3 series. The only quibble is the ultra low air dam. When we came back from the test drive and my dad parked it, the lower part of the air dam was scraping the cement thingy that parking spots normally have( sorry can't remember the name). So unless you love scratches on your car, be careful parking it.

Last E92 M3 · 11-27-2007, 02:47 PM

top grill seems to be a bit too long.
looks nice though

gonzo · 11-27-2007, 04:38 PM

I don't know if this is an 07or 08 but it isn't ugly. A bit too much for me but not bad.

LambOfGod · 11-27-2007, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by quagmire

I like the new CTS as well. It drove pretty nicely and the interior materials used is definitely on par if not better then the 3 series. The only quibble is the ultra low air dam. When we came back from the test drive and my dad parked it, the lower part of the air dam was scraping the cement thingy that parking spots normally have( sorry can't remember the name). So unless you love scratches on your car, be careful parking it.

Dude....this is with half the cars out there. The day of pulling up to the curb until your tires hit are over. This why my dad and mom are not allowed to drive my cars. Oh, except for my 71 Buick Electra 225.

LambOfGod · 11-27-2007, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by gonzo

I don't know if this is an 07or 08 but it isn't ugly. A bit too much for me but not bad.

It is an "Ok" looking car....I just cannot get past the fact that if you pay 40K plus for a CTS and take it in the ass after 2 years of driving it. Who in there right mind would by this car?

Are you kidd'n me?

http://motors.listings.ebay.com/_W0Q...FPostal&lsot2=

Raikkonen · 11-27-2007, 10:44 PM

It amazes me that everyone is saying what they are saying. You're simply proving my point. You're all saying "the car looks great", "it's a good looking car","great design" etc., etc. Who cares??? Yes, it's decent looking, but the CAR is crap. Engine, suspension, materials: crap. The CTS is a hot air balloon and the 3 series is an F22 Raptor. Cadillac needs to stop advertising its supposed, superficial, juvenile superiority. They did the same thing with the original CTS.That car used to look "decent" too. Defend it all you like. 5 years from now, the new CTS is just another $12k car. It's all about quality, not looks. If you ever have the opportunity to inspect one, just check out a few things like the fog light surrounds, the fender grills, etc. You won't believe the quality and feel of the materials Cadillac is using on a $40k+ car. For God's sake, they've had 20+ years to try and at least match BMW's build quality and handling dynamics. What exactly have they been doing during that time??? If this is the best America can come up with, we're in serious trouble.

mmm def · 11-27-2007, 10:45 PM

The thing that would bother me..300+ hp 6sp manual and it can't even hit 0-60 under 6 seconds? I bet it's a dog on the highway too..

11-26-2007, 04:07 PM	#1
Raikkonen Captain 388 Rep 827 Posts Drives: 2024 X5 M60i Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Grosse Pointe Park, MI iTrader: (2)	New Cadillac CTS!!! I don’t know if it’s because I’m from Detroit and I see a million of them everyday, but I hate the new Cadillac CTS. I don’t know which annoys me more, the car itself or the people who drive them. I’m sure this goes both ways, but I always get the sense that the moron who pulls up next to me is convinced that their car is superior to mine because of Cadillac’s marketing (brainwashing). It seems to me these cars are marketed to 15 yr olds. They seem to be taking the approach of, “yeah, my car’s better than yours” and then jamming juvenile rock music to drive home their point. This all seems very “American” to me. BMW has never taken a marketing approach this brash, even in the American market. I will say this however, the exterior isn’t bad. I could even go so far as to say it’s a decent looking car, except in typical Cadillac fashion, it appears to be very “Flash”. To each his own on the interior, but I personally am not a fan. One could argue that it’s nice looking, but another Cadillac trait makes itself readily known when you begin a closer inspection. Some of the materials look like they were pulled from a Cavalier, and I think the automatic shift knob actually was! It’s these small quality issues that really kill the company. Their recent designs just don’t stand the test of time. They seem disposable, almost as if they were designed for today only. If you were to drive a 10 yr old Catera (the caddy that zigs) and a 10 yr old 3 series, both kept in similar condition and with similar mileage, the BMW would still feel like a solid, well built vehicle, the Catera would feel like a 10 yr old, $6k death box. (I won’t even lower myself to discuss a design comparison) All Cadillac’s also have comical resale value. I can get a low mileage, well kept first generation CTS in the low teens all day long. Numbers don’t lie. I think one of the largest issues is the fact that Cadillac stopped being a player in the 80’s. There is no longer a Cadillac mystique. The Cimarron and Catera didn’t help their cause. Neither did the Seville, which was built up until 2004, and had 300hp running through the front wheels!!! What were they thinking? I don’t know if I’m the only one who feels this way, but Cadillac needs to step off their high horse and come back down to reality, and show the rest of the industry some respect. Considering their parent company is an automotive juggernaut, their product is embarrassing crap. Remember when they introduced the first generation CTS and all of their marketing was focusing on the fact that the car’s handling was honed at the Nurburgring? I do. I also remember when all of the comparison tests soon followed, and the car was trounced by the competition. Much like the all-new, all-conquering CTS. Congrats Cadillac, once again, you’ve produced a decent looking car with no substance, and I hate it.
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vAnt826 Major 66 Rep 1,417 Posts Drives: E92 M3 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Seattle iTrader: (3)	The new CTS exterior is... Amazing. However, I also agree that the interior is lacking. I don't think I am being brainwashed with the CTS marketing at all, its not that heavy.
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lyndon_h Lieutenant Colonel 41 Rep 1,917 Posts Drives: e90 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Madagascar iTrader: (2)	The new CTS is sharp. I actually like the interior better than the interior in my e90 (at least from the pics).
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woody2223 First Lieutenant 19 Rep 304 Posts Drives: 2007 black sapphire coupe JB+ Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: richmond, VA iTrader: (0) Garage List 2007 335i coupe [0.00]	My whole take on it is I look at Cateras driving around and they just don't do anything for me. Back in the day I thought they looked kind of good b/c Cadillac hadn't produced anything that had looked like that before. I think the same thing is going to happen to the CTS, either the market is going to get even more flooded by them and in return take every last ounce of "special" out of it or it's design is going to look boring and bland in a couple of years (ei. catera). I still look at older bimmers and think they look great! Maybe it's just personal preference but put it like this how many people you know just dream of owning a mid to late 80's cadillac?
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CaptChaos Captain 57 Rep 817 Posts Drives: 2017 M2 - Mineral Grey Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Richmond, BC, Canada iTrader: (0)	I like the exterior of the new CTS. The front view looks very aggressive.
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mmm def Colonel 149 Rep 2,611 Posts Drives: 21 330, 19 ND2 RF, 11 RX350 Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: NJ iTrader: (0)	I think it's a pretty sexy car especially in that dark red. My buddy is probably going to pick one up over a 335..I tell him he's crazy.
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alidmx New Member 3 Rep 22 Posts Drives: 300c Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Oman iTrader: (0)	Interior is bad? Are you serious? If CTS interior is bad than what about BMW 3 series interior?! HORRIBLE?! CTS has atleast a ten times better looking interior than the 3 series, and I'll take the new CTS-V over a 335 without thinking twice
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quagmire I am Gundam 202 Rep 1,211 Posts Drives: 2017 Camaro 2SS Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: USA iTrader: (0)	I like the new CTS as well. It drove pretty nicely and the interior materials used is definitely on par if not better then the 3 series. The only quibble is the ultra low air dam. When we came back from the test drive and my dad parked it, the lower part of the air dam was scraping the cement thingy that parking spots normally have( sorry can't remember the name). So unless you love scratches on your car, be careful parking it.
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Last E92 M3 Lieutenant Colonel 34 Rep 1,507 Posts Drives: BMW M3 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Virginia iTrader: (0)	top grill seems to be a bit too long. looks nice though
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gonzo Lieutenant General 10351 Rep 14,248 Posts Drives: as many as possible Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: TeXXXas iTrader: (0)	I don't know if this is an 07or 08 but it isn't ugly. A bit too much for me but not bad. Attached Images __________________ Crazy Diamond
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11-27-2007, 10:44 PM	#21
Raikkonen Captain 388 Rep 827 Posts Drives: 2024 X5 M60i Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Grosse Pointe Park, MI iTrader: (2)	It amazes me that everyone is saying what they are saying. You're simply proving my point. You're all saying "the car looks great", "it's a good looking car","great design" etc., etc. Who cares??? Yes, it's decent looking, but the CAR is crap. Engine, suspension, materials: crap. The CTS is a hot air balloon and the 3 series is an F22 Raptor. Cadillac needs to stop advertising its supposed, superficial, juvenile superiority. They did the same thing with the original CTS.That car used to look "decent" too. Defend it all you like. 5 years from now, the new CTS is just another $12k car. It's all about quality, not looks. If you ever have the opportunity to inspect one, just check out a few things like the fog light surrounds, the fender grills, etc. You won't believe the quality and feel of the materials Cadillac is using on a $40k+ car. For God's sake, they've had 20+ years to try and at least match BMW's build quality and handling dynamics. What exactly have they been doing during that time??? If this is the best America can come up with, we're in serious trouble.
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mmm def Colonel 149 Rep 2,611 Posts Drives: 21 330, 19 ND2 RF, 11 RX350 Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: NJ iTrader: (0)	The thing that would bother me..300+ hp 6sp manual and it can't even hit 0-60 under 6 seconds? I bet it's a dog on the highway too..
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