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The M4 is a nice overall package but I don't think it's going to be considered the benchmark 7 years from now like how previous gen M's are still compared to new models. The Stingray has improved most this generation and the Z06/ZR1, Z28, etc obliterate the M4 in every performance category not to mention that a many year old model GTR which costs the same as a M4 embarrasses it also. It's a good car but is can't compete with the competition now let alone years from now and M Division wasn't suppose to make a good car they were suppose to make the benchmark of this generation but it doesn't look like that will be the case.
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Stingray and Z6 are sold mainly in US, where petrol is almost for free, and EU fleet emission regulations do not apply.
M3/4 is sold worldwide, and must meet EU regulations. Voila, that's why it has a 3L turbo, and not a 5L NA. GTR is still 25-30% more expensive. (And it's a Datsun. And it's ugly. ) |
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The reviews are even more positive than they where when the E9x came. And this has a lot more potential for CSL and CP versions since the engine is more easily tuneable. There's also a lot of heavy standard equipment they can get rid of for a CSL version Like power seats, folding rear seats, AC. An easy 100+lbs in weight saving, even without going for lightweight race seats... Only time will tell if the F8x lives up to the E46 (which many considers a more pure M3 than the E9x). |
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The last two generations of M3 were classified as "gas-guzzlers" in the USA. How many Corvettes? Not the 7.0 liter Z06. For the last several years Corvettes have generally been faster around tracks too, even before the Stingray. I don't say this to suggest the Corvette is a better car or even a better performance car. I've owned both a recent M3 and Corvette. Visibility out of Corvettes is poor and has only gotten worse with the Stingray. If you enjoy driving one on a small winding road, you're in the minority. Many different and often conflicting factors go into making a car what it is. And BMW has explained several decisions about the new M3/M4 in terms of solutions to improving emissions and fuel economy. But GM did as well with their move to direct injection and cylinder deactivation. While I'm not sold on a number of other aspects, I submit the Corvette's recent and current performance-to-fuel-economy ratio is world class. I eagerly await US EPA numbers for the new M3/M4, and will be pleased if they match the Corvette's numbers. Regards |
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Please post the quotes from reviewers that say the car is cold and uninspiring... Look forward to see if Chris Harris Calls it cold and uninspiring |
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All of the reviews have positive points but most have negative things that are griped about also. The cayman gts and m135 got a 5 while the m4 got a 4.5 from Evo which if you know Evo then 4.5 isn't good and past M's have gotten 5's. The car is good but it still has a lot to prove to live up to its predecessors and I'm hoping it does.
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So mixed reviews on the steering, sound, and engine which are the three things M needed to perfect the most. It's lighter which is good but it's obvious it's not going to compete with proper sports cars this generation. So for getting groceries and hauling kids this will be the most fun car but for true sports car sounds and engines it seems we might have to look elsewhere and with how underwhelming the M5/M6 were it's no surprise that BMW made another grand tourer instead of having a sports car in their M line up. Hopefully the aftermarket exhausts fix the sound because when I own one I don't want to sound like the fart can civics that pull up next to me.
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I'm not confused. I've stated many times that as a fan of BMW and M I was hoping that I'd be able to get a proper sports car from their Motorsport division. I don't want to jump ship but neither do I want to be driving the minivans of performance cars that gets great mpg and can haul groceries and kids and sounds like crap. Is it really too much to ask for a proper M sports car?! If Chevy and Nissan can make sports cars then BMW should be able to as well. Maybe I'll be looking into Porsche for my next car.... sigh.
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Very true but it was still the benchmark which is why I got it. The M3 platform has always be so good and fun to drive that it didn't matter if it wasn't the fastest around the track even though they dominate in racing and it was universally considered the best. The competition is really good this gen however and the mixed reviews on the steering, engine, and sound is troubling. Until I actually drive one and see comparisons against its rivals I won't know how it is for sure I'm just saying that I have legit reasons to be concerned and it's not too much to ask for a BMW sports car.
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