[NickyC]

Current ///M5 is still a stunner in the looks department. Hopefully BMW won't trash it with the new model like they've done with nearly all the rest of the lineup.

[Mr.blue]

All beautiful cars but that E60 is what got me excited about BMW! The M5 has always been my dream car yet I still haven’t bought one. Each time I’ve always chosen another model, not really sure why but it’s not because I didn’t like the M5. The closest model I’ve owned was the X5M unless you count the M550i. Love the M5.

[mubarak]

E60 m5 all day .. do not care about others .

[Rafichicago]

Originally Posted by tabla8719

F10 and E60 seems to be close or almost on par... Everything pre F10 is just dinosaur age slow at this point... also I am more shocked they have a well running E60 here more than anything.

And why is that ?

[accountant8094]

The E60 sounds absolutely amazing.

[NotSharocks]

E39's the coolest.

No other M5 had Clive Owen, Madonna and Guy Ritchie involved.

I do not care about anything else, this is a fact, good day.

[440i6MT]

Pleasantly surprised how well the e60 held up to the f90 in the rolling race prior to shifting. Put a DcT in the e60, maybe...

[Dagstar]

Originally Posted by Hit_Apex

For me, the value is in getting this collection together in one place. Sort of cool to compare/contrast designs incrementally and sound. Result was completely predictable but if this was your focus you missed the point. Another solid video from Carwow and cool when they feature the owners.

Bingo. They've done quite a few videos featuring different trimmed M5s vs _____ as well. Very entertaining.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by WraithM5

Everything else the ZF8 does is better or as good as a dct. The DCT feels better shifting under load and that’s it. The ZF8 is fast, not shit at low speeds, better kick down, and the drawbacks do not outweigh the benefits especially over the DCT.

The dct has better shifting under load which for a performance car is absolute priority... this has been the chief complaint of the zf8 that few folks on the g80 forum have now pointed out whilst driving hard. Also the zf8 does not have as fast of a shift speed as gears in a dct are pre selected... so again - comfort and full auto driving, the zf8 is better - if thats what your looking for in a supposed performance car.

[MiamiFan13]

Originally Posted by 10"

E28 and E34 all day long for me—don’t care about drag race speeds

Exactly. While I love them all (aside from an SMG E60), when one considers how each one stood relative to the competition at the time they were released, the E28's balls hang the lowest. It also felt more German than the rest. Maybe I'm just getting old.

[82hopedale]

The new cars are involving but you have to be going about twice the speeds to enjoy them.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by WraithM5

No not at all. The ZF8 performs just as well in every aspect . The shift speed being marginally slower is also barely a drawback. You sound like you read a Wikipedia page and have driven neither.

Indeed, I have read a wikipedia page... luckily i've owned both as well and driven both on a track and the street.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by WraithM5

If that were the case then you would know that the ZF8 is just as good and is better overall.

again, the opinion around this are endless...

however the facts remain the same and that is that both have advantages and disadvantages... however from a pure performance as well as feeling perspective, DCT wins always... this is why Porsche and every other exotic performance car manufacturer has retained DCT over Zf8..

The Zf8 BOTH on track and on the street to me seemed to hesitate when shifting under load and when downshifting... it was not fun. The DCT in comparo was banging gears to no end... again, i'll give it you... the Zf8 was more comfortable. The decision was easy for BMW for cost purposes and to integrate an auto in a daily driven car for comfort... it is what it is.

[lolih734]

F10 and E60 seems to be close or almost on par... Everything pre F10 is just dinosaur age slow at this point..

[335Abuser]

I've driven the SMG V10(E63) ,DCT (M4, M3) and 8 speed (high power 435i coupe and M5 comp, Z4 M40i) on track. I felt the DCT was definitely more disruptive than the 8 speed especially when shifting in a corner, the rear would step out and feel unconnected. The SMG car needs a great Trans additive (and because of the internet, won't get into that right now, since I'm affiliated) but can be great when driven right. The S85 sounds glorious but lacks torque, but man do they sing and go in triple digit speeds. Also preferred the mechanical diff in the M6. Z4 M40i's softer rear end made it "squat" in corner exits that I didn't like, but no cause of the Trans. Still, one of the most rewarding cars I've driven/owned (and M cars) was a 6 speed Euro spec E46 M3.

[PYE46M3]

If it doesn't call for 10w-60 then its not an M5 I care about.

[Tallest]

So E28....... E34.E39......E60.F10.....F90..

It would almost appear that some cars are just the difference in looks, while others are a leap forward, like E34 to E28 or F10 to F90. Kinda nice for those who like E34 or E39, E60 or F10, because there you can sort of go off looks, not off performance.

Next M5 wont be a leap forward or will it? If past is any indicator it will not be a huge improvement in performance. It certainly isnt on looks (not to me anyway).

[BDO]

Originally Posted by ASAP

I think this video just shows how outdated everything pre F90 is... that leap from F10 to F90 is absolutely huge...

F10 and E60 seems to be close or almost on par... Everything pre F10 is just dinosaur age slow at this point... also I am more shocked they have a well running E60 here more than anything.

Yeah, out of all of those, I didn't expect the F10 to be the one lunching itself.

[BDO]

Originally Posted by 82hopedale

The new cars are involving but you have to be going about twice the speeds to enjoy them.

My biggest gripe with modern cars. I enjoyed puttering around in my Z4M a lot more than driving twice as fast and barely feeling it in my F13 M6.

[Chappers 71]

With older cars less was more. The most ‘fun’ bmw I’ve owned has to be the manual e36 328i sport coupe. It ‘only’ had 193 bhp @ 5,300 rpm & 207 lb-ft Torques @ 3,950 rpm but I loved it, you really could ‘take it by the scruff of the neck & max it out’.

[kyrix1st]

Originally Posted by WraithM5

No not at all. The ZF8 performs just as well in every aspect . The shift speed being marginally slower is also barely a drawback. You sound like you read a Wikipedia page and have driven neither.

ZF8 shift feels a quarter second slower vs M-DCT, and this is irritating especially on the racetrack that requires frequent downshifting. It shifts ok driving 5/10ths but nowhere do you feel the transmission is adequate pushing hard.
I think at this point you are arguing with BMW M engineers, who also acknowledged in their explanation videos that DCT is twice as fast as ZF8.