[KevinGS]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Why get a $200,000, 3,900-pound car for the track, it makes no sense to me.

As if any of our car purchases make "sense"

Many enthusiasts wonder why so many of us waste money on 500+hp, $85k sedans weighing in at 3,600+-pounds, when we could instead use that money to buy a more pure experience like a Miata or an older Lotus, and have an Accord or an SUV as a "daily" since you can't use all the M's power on the road in most cases anyway.

Again, it's all excess...but one person's excess is another person's "not quite enough". We each decide. Hec, that's why so many buy 500+ hp BMWs, and then tune them for more power, and these cars often never see a track. 1,064 hp is not going to be enough for some folks...so the horsepower wars will continue. And no, none if it will make sense.

But as an engineering achievement, at this price point, if it's at all reliable, to GM for the ZR1...

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by KevinGS

As if any of our car purchases make "sense"

Many enthusiasts wonder why so many of us waste money on 500+hp, $85k sedans weighing in at 3,600+-pounds, when we could instead use that money to buy a more pure experience like a Miata or an older Lotus, and have an Accord or an SUV as a "daily" since you can't use all the M's power on the road in most cases anyway.

Again, it's all excess...but one person's excess is another person's "not quite enough". We each decide. Hec, that's why so many buy 500+ hp BMWs, and then tune them for more power, and these cars often never see a track. 1,064 hp is not going to be enough for some folks...so the horsepower wars will continue. And no, none if it will make sense.

But as an engineering achievement, at this price point, if it's at all reliable, to GM for the ZR1...

But why not have a track car at 1300 pounds with 350 HP with the same power to weight ratio as a 3,900 pound ZR1.

[ShocknAwe]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

I legit feel the same way and if I had fuck off money I would back that thought up. I have 385HP @3300lbs and I literally have nowhere to use that power.

We had a thread here once of what we would buy with $1M and I listed Alfaholics, Lotus 7/Caterham, Carrera GTS Cab etc .... I see no place for crazy HP, even on track a Caterham is a much more pure experience.

Kimera EVO37. I love this thing, even beats the alfaholics IMO.

Agree on the lotus 7/caterham/atom for track.

I've been DDing a 250hp (when stock) 964 911 lately. It's enough power for the street TBH. You can absolutely wring it out everywhere. So much fun.

Looking forward to seeing if GM makes something enthusiast oriented again.

[Tejas1836]

Sometimes it's just knowing that you have it, even though you may never use it.

[RMNB]

If you need more Life insurance let me know.

[RMNB]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

But why not have a track car at 1300 pounds with 350 HP with the same power to weight ratio as a 3,900 pound ZR1.

... ummm, death!

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by RMNB

... ummm, death!

F=MA. A 3900 pound car crashing at 160 MPH is going to be much more violent than a 1300 pound car crashing at 160 MPH.

[G MONEY]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

F=MA. A 3900 pound car crashing at 160 MPH is going to be much more violent than a 1300 pound car crashing at 160 MPH.

If we are talking street car, your a fucking dead man either way so the driver won’t have to worry about that

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by G MONEY

If we are talking street car, your a fucking dead man either way so the driver won’t have to worry about that

Yup, said that a few pages ago when the ZX-14 came up.

[Autobacs]

Originally Posted by Tejas1836

Sometimes it's just knowing that you have it, even though you may never use it.

Exactly.

[Bald Guy]

I won't count on it, but it would be interesting if Chevy dealers started marking down to bring the price closer to $150k if there's too much supply and low demand after a good year or two.

I remember several years back when my local dealer was discounting the 2010 ZR1 by $20k+ and they had 3-5 on the lot at the same time. I'm still kicking myself for missing that chance. 6-speed manual and supercharged. The Corvette won't be the same again, it looks like, ever since it converted over to being a European personality. I'm an owner now, so I guess I'm gladly supporting this characteristic.

[LH44]

In another discussion, someone mentioned that a $5K Fox-body Mustang with $170K in mods would smoke a ZR1. I'm now torn between said Mustang and a ZX-14. Please advise.

[Tejas1836]

Originally Posted by LH44

In another discussion, someone mentioned that a $5K Fox-body Mustang with $170K in mods would smoke a ZR1. I'm now torn between said Mustang and a ZX-14. Please advise.

Easy, get both

[Bald Guy]

ZR1 will show your hard-earned money spent more than a modified Mustang.

[G MONEY]

Originally Posted by Bald Guy

ZR1 will show your hard-earned money spent more than a modified Mustang.

Mustang, lol. Lame-est vehicle on the road. Love smoking them every chance I get

[Bald Guy]

Originally Posted by G MONEY

Mustang, lol. Lame-est vehicle on the road. Love smoking them every chance I get

I actually like the Dark Horse (I just feel it's $10k overpriced), and I admire the character of that 5.0 Coyote, which revs and sounds great. It's one of the few performance cars going strong with that precious NA V8. The quality aspect of the car can be a letdown. Other than that, I think it can be a fair performance value at the right spec and options (price point). The IS500 is another gem that is of higher quality and has a great V8 that will likely be discontinued soon.

I had a '22 Mustang GT Premium with 6MT, and it was a fairly good car aside from the "quality" aspect as far as the plastics in the car, plus that 6MT originates from China (no offense)—the 6MT Tremec in the Dark Horse is of better quality.

[G MONEY]

Originally Posted by Bald Guy

I actually like the Dark Horse (I just feel it's $10k overpriced), and I admire the character of that 5.0 Coyote, which revs and sounds great. It's one of the few performance cars going strong with that precious NA V8. The quality aspect of the car can be a letdown. Other than that, I think it can be a fair performance value at the right spec and options (price point). The IS500 is another gem that is of higher quality and has a great V8 that will likely be discontinued soon.

I had a '22 Mustang GT Premium with 6MT, and it was a fairly good car aside from the "quality" aspect as far as the plastics in the car, plus that 6MT originates from China (no offense)—the 6MT Tremec in the Dark Horse is of better quality.

I agree with the tranny. BMW should wake the fuck up and put something like that into these M cars. Actually, it’s to late. 20 years ago they should have. They are just to good for that I guess😂🤡

[Bald Guy]

Originally Posted by G MONEY

I agree with the tranny. BMW should wake the fuck up and put something like that into these M cars. Actually, it’s to late. 20 years ago they should have. They are just to good for that I guess����

Well, BMW does have that twin-turbo V8 with hybrid or mild hybrid in select models, so that's the closest they have with the brand. The smaller turbo engines are more powerful and more efficient and probably more cost-effective for BMW as well... So I guess it's a no-brainer for their progressive movement. BMW does sell a lot of cars so whatever they are doing is working for the higher volume of their clients, that's for sure!

[eliphil]

Originally Posted by Bald Guy

I won't count on it, but it would be interesting if Chevy dealers started marking down to bring the price closer to $150k if there's too much supply and low demand after a good year or two.

I remember several years back when my local dealer was discounting the 2010 ZR1 by $20k+ and they had 3-5 on the lot at the same time. I'm still kicking myself for missing that chance. 6-speed manual and supercharged. The Corvette won't be the same again, it looks like, ever since it converted over to being a European personality. I'm an owner now, so I guess I'm gladly supporting this characteristic.

My mechanic told me they should have rebranded the C8 to another name and kept the front engine vette but Chevy wasn’t going to do that. It’s a completely different car really different. Great looks and handling it’s a shame they gave up on a manual transmission. My dealer let me take a C8 preowned home for a half day and as much as I enjoyed it my back was stiff and I kept looking for a manual shift. I prefer my C7 for sure

[Bald Guy]

Originally Posted by eliphil

My mechanic told me they should have rebranded the C8 to another name and kept the front engine vette but Chevy wasn’t going to do that. It’s a completely different car really different. Great looks and handling it’s a shame they gave up on a manual transmission. My dealer let me take a C8 preowned home for a half day and as much as I enjoyed it my back was stiff and I kept looking for a manual shift. I prefer my C7 for sure

With the new C8, they went more towards a European and exotic car personality. Not everyone is going to be happy, but it would be nice to have the front-engine and manual transmission like they used to and then this Euro-style one alongside it (as you and your friend mentioned).

We can't have it all in life, as we know. Grateful for what we have in front of us, though. The sports car game is getting more costly and limited, though. Electric and hybrid tech may or may not be helping alongside.

[TXSTYLE]

Chevy’s C8 Corvette ZR1 Supercar Is Even Faster Than It Expected

https://robbreport.com/motors/cars/c...st-1236777419/

[ShocknAwe]

Originally Posted by TXSTYLE

Chevy’s C8 Corvette ZR1 Supercar Is Even Faster Than It Expected

https://robbreport.com/motors/cars/c...st-1236777419/

Savage. And RWD.